How to make a Fallen Empire Awaken

[Ragnarok]

Okay, I've seen references to how Fallen Empires are supposed to awaken if someone's fleet power tops out above 40k, due to 'Upstart Awakening'.
I have four 45k fleets running about and about 2 dozen Star Fortresses, as well as a rapidly growing Federation Fleet.
None of the five Fallen Empires in my galaxy have woken up. One, a xenophobe one, keeps punching out a 1-system empire that accidentally came into the Space Age right next to them, but the rest are just continuing to sit around and do nothing.
I had a similar problem in my previous two campaigns - in both of those, the Fallen Empires didn't Awaken (with the exception of two during a War in Heaven that was *also* bugged all to hell) even when I started beating them up and taking their lunch money.
Does the AI only count other AI empires fleet power for upstart awakening or something? Or did the last update break things?
I have no mods, verified my game cache, et cetera.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

Few ways. Conquering FE capital planets drastically increases chances of a FE awakening.
(Reminder, FE's should only awaken when late game starts, with a exception.)
A way to awaken the FE spiritualist is to planet crack 1 of their holy worlds.(regardless of late game slider if im correct.)
Robot FE only awakens when the Contingency is around (normal/bezerk).

[Ragnarok]

Okay so they only awaken when endgame kicks off. Thanks, that answers my question.

[pipo.p]

https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Fallen_empire

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

Clarification on the upstart awakening.
Requirements: it can only happen when end game year haves passed. (FE must also not be in a war.)
Default empires getting to strong (above 50k fleet power with all fleets combined) or has conquered a fallen empire world.
awakening only happens ones.
so says wiki anyways.

[Nightmyre]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Okay so they only awaken when endgame kicks off. Thanks, that answers my question.

No, actually, that's not correct at all.

They awaken when they are sufficiently threatened. If that doesn't happen, *then* they awake at endgame year MTTH.

[Meewec]

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

Few ways. Conquering FE capital planets drastically increases chances of a FE awakening.
(Reminder, FE's should only awaken when late game starts, with a exception.)
A way to awaken the FE spiritualist is to planet crack 1 of their holy worlds.(regardless of late game slider if im correct.)
Robot FE only awakens when the Contingency is around (normal/bezerk).

they also can't wake up if they're at war

as for the holy world cracking, only do it if you are able to deal with an awakened empire. it wakes up the holy guardians and causes them to declare war on you to force vassalization

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Meewec:

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

Few ways. Conquering FE capital planets drastically increases chances of a FE awakening.
(Reminder, FE's should only awaken when late game starts, with a exception.)
A way to awaken the FE spiritualist is to planet crack 1 of their holy worlds.(regardless of late game slider if im correct.)
Robot FE only awakens when the Contingency is around (normal/bezerk).

they also can't wake up if they're at war

as for the holy world cracking, only do it if you are able to deal with an awakened empire. it wakes up the holy guardians and causes them to declare war on you to force vassalization

No reason to do that in this campaign, as I'm playing Fanatic Spiritualist.

Originally posted by Nightmyre:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Okay so they only awaken when endgame kicks off. Thanks, that answers my question.

No, actually, that's not correct at all.

They awaken when they are sufficiently threatened. If that doesn't happen, *then* they awake at endgame year MTTH.

Okay, then why didn't the ones in my last campaign awaken? Because trust me, an empire being capable of engaging your fleets with their own and winning handily is something that should count as a threat. Are the Fallen Empires just not even bothering to look outside their borders?
♥♥♥♥, I fought the xenophobes in my last two campaigns and both times when the war ended they still had some systems left and they STILL didn't awaken even though I'd turned their entire navy to scrap metal through concentration of superior firepower!

[Meewec]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Okay, then why didn't the ones in my last campaign awaken? Because trust me, an empire being capable of engaging your fleets with their own and winning handily is something that should count as a threat. Are the Fallen Empires just not even bothering to look outside their borders?
♥♥♥♥, I fought the xenophobes in my last two campaigns and both times when the war ended they still had some systems left and they STILL didn't awaken even though I'd turned their entire navy to scrap metal through concentration of superior firepower!

they don't really pay attention to the outside galaxy. they can wake up due to your fleets but it's not guaranteed. there's great chance of one waking up if you capture a fallen empire's world but like i said, they can't wake up if they're in a war so it would have to be a different one that wakes up.

the only two guaranteed wake ups that exist are if you crack a holy world it wakes up the guardians or if the contingency shows up then the machine empire will wake up(this can go good or bad)

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Meewec:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Okay, then why didn't the ones in my last campaign awaken? Because trust me, an empire being capable of engaging your fleets with their own and winning handily is something that should count as a threat. Are the Fallen Empires just not even bothering to look outside their borders?
♥♥♥♥, I fought the xenophobes in my last two campaigns and both times when the war ended they still had some systems left and they STILL didn't awaken even though I'd turned their entire navy to scrap metal through concentration of superior firepower!

they don't really pay attention to the outside galaxy. they can wake up due to your fleets but it's not guaranteed. there's great chance of one waking up if you capture a fallen empire's world but like i said, they can't wake up if they're in a war so it would have to be a different one that wakes up.

the only two guaranteed wake ups that exist are if you crack a holy world it wakes up the guardians or if the contingency shows up then the machine empire will wake up(this can go good or bad)

No, here's what happened, twice over:
1. I, wanting to steal all the FE's tech and having a ludicrous amount of firepower on hand, provoke the xenophobe FE into attacking.
2. The xenophobe FE attacks and proceeds to have its oh-so-mighty fleets bitchslapped out of existence by mass battleship fire.
3. I invade, beating up the citadels and the surviving ships, and conquering some of their worlds including the capitol, but since it's a huge galaxy they still have a couple planets left when war exhaustion kicks in for both of us and I elect to let my fleets reinforce, ending the war.
4. Despite none of the Fallen Empires being at war (since the war with the xenophobes is over) and me taking the capitol, NONE of these idiots awaken to fight the upstart empire that has demonstrated the capability to curb-stomp one of their peers. INCLUDING the one that has had its sudden inferiority shoved in its face and has now the breathing space to awaken and rearm.
5. And now I'm here clarifying this to you.

[Meewec]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

No, here's what happened, twice over:
1. I, wanting to steal all the FE's tech and having a ludicrous amount of firepower on hand, provoke the xenophobe FE into attacking.
2. The xenophobe FE attacks and proceeds to have its oh-so-mighty fleets bitchslapped out of existence by mass battleship fire.
3. I invade, beating up the citadels and the surviving ships, and conquering some of their worlds including the capitol, but since it's a huge galaxy they still have a couple planets left when war exhaustion kicks in for both of us and I elect to let my fleets reinforce, ending the war.
4. Despite none of the Fallen Empires being at war (since the war with the xenophobes is over) and me taking the capitol, NONE of these idiots awaken to fight the upstart empire that has demonstrated the capability to curb-stomp one of their peers.
5. And now I'm here clarifying this to you.

besides the xenophobes and the machines i can't explain why none of the others woke up besides it being bad luck. it's a high chance of happening due to a captured world but not guaranteed.

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Meewec:

besides the xenophobes and the machines i can't explain why none of the others woke up besides it being bad luck. it's a high chance of happening due to a captured world but not guaranteed.

Granted, this is the same game where the War in Heaven is *still* dragging on between the tattered remnants of the two empires' respective vassals despite both of said empires having been curbstomped out of existence by my League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those vassals having no reason to fight one another with their masters gone...

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Originally posted by Meewec:

besides the xenophobes and the machines i can't explain why none of the others woke up besides it being bad luck. it's a high chance of happening due to a captured world but not guaranteed.

Granted, this is the same game where the War in Heaven is *still* dragging on between the tattered remnants of the two empires' respective vassals despite both of said empires having been curbstomped out of existence by my League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those vassals having no reason to fight one another with their masters gone...

Oh so you are saying that there are two awakened empires already? Then only the robot FE can awaken as well and only if the contingency spawns.

[Nightmyre]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Originally posted by Meewec:

besides the xenophobes and the machines i can't explain why none of the others woke up besides it being bad luck. it's a high chance of happening due to a captured world but not guaranteed.

Granted, this is the same game where the War in Heaven is *still* dragging on between the tattered remnants of the two empires' respective vassals despite both of said empires having been curbstomped out of existence by my League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those vassals having no reason to fight one another with their masters gone...

The War in Heaven event is specifically triggered BY the empires awakening. Why would you expect a second awakening?

[Meewec]

Originally posted by Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Granted, this is the same game where the War in Heaven is *still* dragging on between the tattered remnants of the two empires' respective vassals despite both of said empires having been curbstomped out of existence by my League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those vassals having no reason to fight one another with their masters gone...

Oh so you are saying that there are two awakened empires already? Then only the robot FE can awaken as well and only if the contingency spawns.

i think the guardians could still wake up too if they aren't one of the awake ones but only if you crack a holy world

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Nightmyre:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Granted, this is the same game where the War in Heaven is *still* dragging on between the tattered remnants of the two empires' respective vassals despite both of said empires having been curbstomped out of existence by my League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those vassals having no reason to fight one another with their masters gone...

The War in Heaven event is specifically triggered BY the empires awakening. Why would you expect a second awakening?

War in Heaven started up when the end-game did. *But* I had enough firepower to trigger upstart Awakening and had beaten up the xenophobes long before that. My point was that the mechanics around Fallen Empires were probably kinda broken in that game...