devouring swarm not strong enufe to fight

[zdowgg]

me and my brother are playing and all he has to do is make a federation and swarm me with fleets i feel the devouring swarm has no chance against multible openents

when playing single player this isint as bad of a problem but in multiplayer the devouring swarm has no chance

i think for every player past 1 that you are at war with your fleet should get 50% hull sheld and firepower bounus as well to help make the game more fair for fighting multible openents

[NixBoxDone]

Yeah, your job as devouring swarm is really to be the most horrible opponent on the map.

Think of it like this: if you're doing the job right, you ARE the end game crisis.

Unfortunately implementing something like your suggestion is going to be pretty hard, especially in multiplayer where you aren't bound by the mechanical rules of no alliances that would hold you back in singleplayer. Part of multiplayer is to make alliances and find someone to help you fight - even if just temporarily.

If an enemy player managed to band together with others in order to take you out, that's sad but also sadly part of how the game works.

[zdowgg]

It's all he does every time he just gets half the map in his federation and takes me out without lifting a finger even he agrees it's op there should be at least limits to how many people are in a federation otherwise just take the devouring swarm out of the game cause it can never win against a federation

[NixBoxDone]

Then make house rules.

No federation can have more than 1 AI member for every human. Or no AI members, human allies only.

Or band together to take him out first with an informal alliance (i. e. no ingame pact, just all declare war on him and take him out) and then tell him that you'll keep doing that as long as he keeps pwning you with AI minions.

Or do the same - get into federations with AIs so when he does declare war you'll have AI on your side, too.



The problem is that all he's doing is using a tool available in the game (federations and diplomacy) for exactly the reason it is in the game - to allow him to gain strength in numbers and overwhelm individual empires by ganging up on them.

That's working as intended - either stop him before he can do it, do as he does or live with the consequences of not stopping him.

[zdowgg]

Is there a way to make AI do house rules like that

[Asta]

not that i am aware of, but another thing you could do is use the swarm's bonuses early on and eat some ai empires, swarms are tougher earlier in the game cuz of their bonuses. try to eat some of those around u fast. preferably ones that are isolated and with no allies.

[Beldhan]

i feel the devouring swarm must have a boost on the naval power, like any empire that have no diplomacy, they can't receive help and end alone, they need to get more power for face the whole galaxy, we are not talking of a huge upgrade, just let the devoring swarm get more ship capacity allowing it to face even federation on it owns... if he have the economy for it.

[Asta]

there is a civic for hive minds that increases their naval capacity by 15%.

[NixBoxDone]

Nah, house rules are for players. If you and your bro play together you just agree not to do certain things to keep the gameplay fair.

[zdowgg]

Originally posted by NixBoxDone:

Nah, house rules are for players. If you and your bro play together you just agree not to do certain things to keep the gameplay fair.

thats the problem tho and my exsact point of you have to have house rules to make this game fair then the game is unbalanced and needs to be changed giving the hivemind a buff

[HugsAndSnuggles]

And what makes you think that it's a problem with hiveminds and not people in MP?

Bersides, your solution would only result in people declaring wars on each other before ganging up on their enemy. Or declaring war on empires on the other side of the map - that would allow people to easily devour neighbours (leaving neigbours 'alive' at some 80% warscore for the bonus and then annexing half the galazy in one go).

[Chikuwu]

Originally posted by zdowgg:

Originally posted by NixBoxDone:

Nah, house rules are for players. If you and your bro play together you just agree not to do certain things to keep the gameplay fair.

thats the problem tho and my exsact point of you have to have house rules to make this game fair then the game is unbalanced and needs to be changed giving the hivemind a buff

IF swarms would get a buff, thats all people would use in MP.

[NixBoxDone]

Originally posted by zdowgg:

Originally posted by NixBoxDone:

Nah, house rules are for players. If you and your bro play together you just agree not to do certain things to keep the gameplay fair.

thats the problem tho and my exsact point of you have to have house rules to make this game fair then the game is unbalanced and needs to be changed giving the hivemind a buff

You misunderstand. Houserules are for cases like yours, where you play a race that is explicitly designed to either snowball or die to federations, but find it unfair if someone elses uses the exact tool provided for this situation against you.

An example for this would be werewolves complaining that the enemy keeps using silver on them or vampires being salty about getting turned into crispy critters by prats as they sleep.


In short: house rules are for when you can't stand someone using something completely valid in the game to ruin your roleplaying fun. :P

[zdowgg]

im not saying to make the hivemind better i lie it ware it is im saying to put limits in federations like 4 member max you shouldent be able to get the whole map against you pluse with a member limit there would be more cometishion among feds

[Nolo Contendere]

part of me feels like there needs to be more than just the military bonuses to devouring swarm/determined exterminator/fanatic purifiers to make them more competative. Part of the power of federations is the sheer volume of resources that feds can throw at you. Even if all you're fighting against is one empire, they still have trade deals with neighbors and can throw more resources at you than you can at them.

give genocidal empires ecconomic benefits as well as military ones, something like access to a unique edict that gives a small bonus to resource output per enemy you're at war with that stacks with production targets and capacity overload.

[ඞ]

Play a Determined Exterminator instead. They're basically the Swarm but metal, and they CAN preform diplomacy with other MACHINE empires. So yeah, it would help you get some AI's on your side also, if you do have Machine Empires that spawn.