Too All the "Paradox's DLC policy is horrible" i say

[Erasmus]

Paradox games shelf life and quality of game speaks for itself. Get a job to affortd them or go play something else where the game is dead in 6 months!

[DirishDevil]

most would agree with you, but as soon as a new paradox-4x comes out everyone is more than willing to pay... gimme gimme gimme.. they are fleecing ♥♥♥♥♥ though.. a total mace job, nah wot mean bai?

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by DirishDevil:

most would agree with you, but as soon as a new paradox-4x comes out everyone is more than willing to pay... gimme gimme gimme.. they are fleecing ♥♥♥♥♥ though.. a total mace job, nah wot mean bai?

I don't know what you mean, care to elaborate?

[Richon]

Those of us who appreciate the long lifespan and near-infinite replayability of Paradox games are happy to fund the 75% of free content that the cry-babies still get without a single extra penny spent.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Richon:

Those of us who appreciate the long lifespan and near-infinite replayability of Paradox games are happy to fund the 75% of free content that the cry-babies still get without a single extra penny spent.

Well said, the irrational entitlement that an annoying vocal minority have is so annoying.

[Richon]

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Originally posted by Richon:

Those of us who appreciate the long lifespan and near-infinite replayability of Paradox games are happy to fund the 75% of free content that the cry-babies still get without a single extra penny spent.

Well said, the irrational entitlement that an annoying vocal minority have is so annoying.

Many people don't understand how much time, care, and energy goes into creativity and hard work.

I have friends who are musicians, and people are always trying to see what they can get them to do for free because "music isn't a real job anyway, it's just a hobby."

I have an uncle who runs a small business in flooring, and people are always trying to weasel out of every possible penny they can pay him, because they don't think his work is really all that hard or worth the price.

I've worked in customer service in multiple industries, and dealt with all manner of ingratitude and miserly penny-pinching.

People who don't appreciate the hard work that goes into the things they enjoy (like music, nice floors, food, video games etc) and think they should get them cheap/free make me sick. I've seen enough companies screw over their players (here's looking at you, EA), and been screwed over by said companies all too often (here's looking at you, Total War, Stardock, et al). I know what a bad company looks like. Paradox isn't perfect, but they're just about the only big name company out there that actually cares about their fans, supports their games for years upon years, and offers the majority of new content for free. I find that refreshing, and I find the quality of service provided by Paradox well worth the asking price. These guys really care about their games, and about the people who play those games. They deserve better treatment than to have their name dragged through the mud.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Richon:

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Well said, the irrational entitlement that an annoying vocal minority have is so annoying.

Many people don't understand how much time, care, and energy goes into creativity and hard work.

I have friends who are musicians, and people are always trying to see what they can get them to do for free because "music isn't a real job anyway, it's just a hobby."

I have an uncle who runs a small business in flooring, and people are always trying to weasel out of every possible penny they can pay him, because they don't think his work is really all that hard or worth the price.

I've worked in customer service in multiple industries, and dealt with all manner of ingratitude and miserly penny-pinching.

People who don't appreciate the hard work that goes into the things they enjoy (like music, nice floors, food, video games etc) and think they should get them cheap/free make me sick. I've seen enough companies screw over their players (here's looking at you, EA), and been screwed over by said companies all too often (here's looking at you, Total War, Stardock, et al). I know what a bad company looks like. Paradox isn't perfect, but they're just about the only big name company out there that actually cares about their fans, supports their games for years upon years, and offers the majority of new content for free. I find that refreshing, and I find the quality of service provided by Paradox well worth the asking price. These guys really care about their games, and about the people who play those games. They deserve better treatment than to have their name dragged through the mud.

+1

[Cellar_Cat]

Kind of surprised to get that complaint about Stellaris. I felt that way about CK2 to some extent but so far the extras I've bought for this game have improved it about as much as I'd want for the price.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Richon:

Those of us who appreciate the long lifespan and near-infinite replayability of Paradox games are happy to fund the 75% of free content that the cry-babies still get without a single extra penny spent.

"75% of free content" which is really just quality of life patches as well as material that should have been in the game day one.

The paid DLC is a freaking rip off. Poorly developed, low quality, poorly thought out, lack of value for the spend. For example the Ascendancy paths were all a complete violation of concept and extremely lacking in development and depth. The Utopia DLC needed WAY more meat and potatoes to justify the price Paradox was charging.

[Kelryth]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

The Utopia DLC needed WAY more meat and potatoes to justify the price Paradox was charging.

If $21.99 (Canadian Currency in my case) is too much for you then wait for a sale? Personally I buy almost nothing on steam unless its at least 60% off. I never pay full price.

[DirishDevil]

Originally posted by Richon:

Those of us who appreciate the long lifespan and near-infinite replayability of Paradox games are happy to fund the 75% of free content that the cry-babies still get without a single extra penny spent.

i think if you look at the reviews you are in the minority with this opinion, and what free content?.. minor stuff that should be in day one edition

[Richon]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

"75% of free content" which is really just quality of life patches as well as material that should have been in the game day one.

Originally posted by DirishDevil:

i think if you look at the reviews you are in the minority with this opinion, and what free content?.. minor stuff that should be in day one edition

Thank you for making my point for me. You entitled types are exactly the sort I was talking about. If you look at the reviews, I'm actually in the majority opinion, as Stellaris has about 6 times as many positive reviews as negative. Most of us appreciate everything Paradox does. As for you misers, I'm happy to help fund all of the free content you receive. You're welcome.

[Ernscht Ende Bobbejaan]

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Stop attacking people who feel different about a game than you, as it gets us nowhere.
Personally I like Paradox games a lot, but that's because I stopped buying their DLCs for EUIV and CKII two years ago. I felt like after the Horse Lords DLC and The Art Of War DLC both games were 'finished'. They were working perfectly, they didn't feel bloated with unnecessary add-ons like they do now. So yes, I can understand why some people don't like the way Paradox releases their DLC. They keep adding so many new mechanics, even in the free patches, that the original game I bought such a long time ago gets buried with unwanted stuff. Less is more, I would say. I hope Paradox will not continue this endless DLC trend with Stellaris.

[Richon]

Originally posted by -DoCa- St. Ellaris:

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Stop attacking people who feel different about a game than you, as it gets us nowhere.
Personally I like Paradox games a lot, but that's because I stopped buying their DLCs for EUIV and CKII two years ago. I felt like after the Horse Lords DLC and The Art Of War DLC both games were 'finished'. They were working perfectly, they didn't feel bloated with unnecessary add-ons like they do now. So yes, I can understand why some people don't like the way Paradox releases their DLC. They keep adding so many new mechanics, even in the free patches, that the original game I bought such a long time ago gets buried with unwanted stuff. Less is more, I would say. I hope Paradox will not continue this endless DLC trend with Stellaris.

This is why Paradox allows you to roll back to earlier patches. I've seen some fellows comment on how they're still running EU4 1.14, for instance, because that's where they wanted the game to stop. That's the beauty of this model. Those of you who want it to stop are free to stop where-so-ever you please. Those of us who want to contine watching our favourite games grow get to! Everybody wins.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

"75% of free content" which is really just quality of life patches as well as material that should have been in the game day one.

Are you seriously suggesting that years of free development should be in the game at launch? What nonsense. For that to happen they would need to substantially extend the development time and the initial price.

Originally posted by Shahadem:

The paid DLC is a freaking rip off. Poorly developed, low quality, poorly thought out, lack of value for the spend. For example the Ascendancy paths were all a complete violation of concept and extremely lacking in development and depth. The Utopia DLC needed WAY more meat and potatoes to justify the price Paradox was charging.

What nonsense. The quality was quite good, not to mention that I have no idea what you mean by "violation of concept". Also you act as if the price was massive, $20 is not a massive price and if it is to you then maybe you should wait until you're financially stable before you indulge in luxuries like video games.

Originally posted by -DoCa- St. Ellaris:

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Stop attacking people who feel different about a game than you, as it gets us nowhere.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinions but what they are not entitled to is having their opinions going unchallenged, if people state something that I view as wrong I sure as hell will call them on it.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Army Pea:

I have felt that the cost of paradox DLCs has been hit and miss.

Leviathans and Utopia were worth the price.

Where the plantoid cosmetic DLC was something I waited to pick up once it went on sale.

I'm not sure how any of you other guys feel (haters excluded) but I'm not not sure Synthetic Dawn is a day one purchase for me.

I'm more excited for the balances and changes than playing as a robot race.

IMO Synthetic Dawn looks amazing but as a poor college student I doubt it will be wise to buy it. So I'll probably hold off until I have more money or a sale, whichever comes first.

Most of the other DLC IMO have fair prices, and as such the only one I haven't gotten is Plantoids (my lack of interest combined with its price just doesn't make it worth it for me).