How to deal with Unbidden?

[Arandur87]

Heya all!

Currently I had a rather succesfull hive mind run, all my neighbours were pathetic compared to me in every single part of the game. Had a fleet with 66k strength and a fleet with ~590/740 cap.

Then the Unbidden showed up. They had 8 60k fleets, i managed to destroy 4 of them, than I was done.

How is one supposed to fight them off? Even with fully maxed out ships (my BS had like 1.5k Power, their had over 4k each) I can't do ♥♥♥♥♥ against them.

Capping my fleet to 740/740 would have changed nothing, as than my fleet would have had like ~90k instead of 66k compared to their 6x (maybe more? those 6 wehre just the roaming ones) 60k.

So, any hints? It's frustrating to play for a couple of days just to get raped by cross-dimensional space-canibals^^

[Azunai]

their ships have no point defense and no armor and they use exclusively matter disintegrators as weapons. there are a few ways to exploit that.

common strategies are to swarm them with masses of energy torpedo corvettes or to use mass bombers. mass kinetic artillery/giga cannons would probably also work fine.

avoid lasers, plasma or particle beams - their main strength (armor penetration) has 0 effect in this fight, leaving you with only their weakness (penalty vs. shields, lower dps compared to kinetics)

[Arandur87]

I have build just Torpedo-Corvettes, Bomber-Cruiser and Battlehips and had rarely any AA weapons.

As I said, my 66k fleet killed off 4x60k of them, before it was over for me.

The other Empires were just eaten and insulted me^^
Even those sleepy heads with good science and all didn't do ♥♥♥♥, and the Unbidden spawned on their edge of the galaxy^^

Just feels like you can do nothing against them, if the spawn 100 jumps away from you in the middle of a giant cluster of Empires, hating you, because your a Hive Mind^^

[LAG]

I defeated them in my latest playthrough. They popped up in a fallen empire's space and rightfully gobbled up the fallen empire (the xenophobic fallen empire kept it's 40k fleet around it's homeworld).

They had 4 or 5 60k fleet, i had a fleet about 130k in strenght. Not that i needed that much and i headed straight for the portal.


I defeated them within the first few months of their arrival, so i saved the galaxy. A small empire with a 10k fleet jumped in after i'd wiped the unbidden fleets and managed to steal the last hit on the portal, giving them all credit.

The Weapons you want on your ships are:

Battleships: Kinetic artillery and Giga cannon. Since the unbidden is practicly just shields tachyon is useless.

Cruisers: Kinetic artillery and then either 2 M gauss cannons or distruptors. Usually the M spots are better fit for plasma, but the unbidden as said uses just shields. KA is the most important thing here

Destroyers: 1 KA and gauss/distruptor.

Corvettes: Ntorpedoes and autocannons. Regular torpedoes work too but the rest of your fleet still has to work that shield down, so you might as well help them for the greater good.

If you can't beat the unbidden then you should try to just keep them out of your area. Target the dimensional anchors and don't go for the portal. If you go for the portal all the fleets will convene on you and the portal has 250 MILLION hp AFAIK so you're not getting it down without killing everyone.

Instead, hit the unbidden fleets when they're alone for easy kills and wear them down over time.

[Arandur87]

"Instead, hit the unbidden fleets when they're alone for easy kills and wear them down over time."

That's the thing, they did not do that. They invaded my Empire with 4 fleets, after I fought off 4 fleets one by one.

Also, thanks for your hints with the setups, I had no guns, just Lazorz. The NTorps were used by my corvettes, just like Bombers on Battleships and Cruisers as well as Disruptors, but it was not enough.

As I said, I was at ~75% off my fleetcap with 66k power, I never could have archieved fleets over 100k to take care of 4 unbidden fleets at once :/

I also had like 400-500 research each with tech-costs like 30k for things like 5% Shield-HP Rank III. So my science wasn't that bad.
I thought that anyway, seems I was to bad nontheless^^

[LAG]

Originally posted by Hattori_Hanzo:

"Instead, hit the unbidden fleets when they're alone for easy kills and wear them down over time."

That's the thing, they did not do that. They invaded my Empire with 4 fleets, after I fought off 4 fleets one by one.

Unless you were really close, that was probably just a small part of their real fleet.

You can actually sort by relative power in the contact screen to see how they rank.

[-=Sentor=-]

I my game just now The unbidden conquered 60% of the galaxy. Then a 2nd and a 3nd Portal did open. The 3 unbidden did fight each other until only one Portal witn no anchors did remain. I did attack it with my fleet and could close it :D

[Knight.R]

"Technically" what is suppose to happen is that every empire in the galaxy is to be fighting the Unbidden since "supposedly" they are "fighting" for the right to exist. Meaning you are not meant to fight alone in this crisis. However in my games i usually see 7-12 different fleet stacks all going into unbidded territory see a construction ship and either shoot it or go in a cycl between systems and only "join" the fight after the unbidden decide to go after my worlds that are 5-7 systems from their borders meanwhile every other empire that is hugging their boders are ignored but it might just be me.

[Kanjejou]

same problem in my game the unbiden crashe don me all the time but I had to repair my loses and 10 year after entering the game they whipped the whole galaxy except me... when like 5 year before the awakened empire had 10 150k fleet and unbiden fleet are only 50-60k in power yet the two awakened empire literaly gave up and suicided

the new economy male the late game crisis and awakened empire unmanageable ...

in previous build i woudl be swimming in thousand of minerals per month now i barely go above the 500/month becasue the population eat half of my production

the fact that unbiden whipe out planet make them unmanageable witht he new economy. take more world =/= more nergy or minearla becasue population eat those at an alarming rate even with the -20% in consumption

[Shad]

Originally posted by Hattori_Hanzo:

Also, thanks for your hints with the setups, I had no guns, just Lazorz.

By the time the unbidden show up, you should have all the important weapons researched. Long range is important as unbidden have any a few long range themselves, so a Kinetic Artillery barrage essentially gets free shots for a while. Also don't forget to remove all armor from you ships as unbidden ignore it completely.

A well built fleet should be able to take out 2x strength unbidden with very few losses. And once unbidden fleets are down, it take them at least a few of years to get fresh ones, unless you let them build tons of anchors.

As I said, I was at ~75% off my fleetcap with 66k power, I never could have archieved fleets over 100k to take care of 4 unbidden fleets at once :/

66k is not that big a fleet. If you plan to have an endgame where you survive, you need to get more than 100k fleet power by conquest, vassalisation and so on. 66k is not quite enough to survive crisis or the awakened empires.

[Salty Tattie]

Originally posted by Hattori_Hanzo:

I have build just Torpedo-Corvettes, Bomber-Cruiser and Battlehips and had rarely any AA weapons.

As I said, my 66k fleet killed off 4x60k of them, before it was over for me.

The other Empires were just eaten and insulted me^^
Even those sleepy heads with good science and all didn't do ♥♥♥♥, and the Unbidden spawned on their edge of the galaxy^^

Just feels like you can do nothing against them, if the spawn 100 jumps away from you in the middle of a giant cluster of Empires, hating you, because your a Hive Mind^^

Torpedoes do more damage against armour don't they? Wouldn't regular missiles be better as they skip shields but do extra hull damage?

[Danny]

And if you still have trouble, there is always the guardian of the galaxy ascention perk.
Provided you can still pick one. XD

it does give the added benefit of the other AI empires liking you a bit more ^^'

[Force]

Kinetic artilleries + only shields on battleships or corvettes with marauder missle + disruptor and only shields. Boom. Unbidden countered. You might lose a few ships but they can be easily replaced.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Force:

Kinetic artilleries + only shields on battleships or corvettes with marauder missle + disruptor and only shields. Boom. Unbidden countered. You might lose a few ships but they can be easily replaced.

Anything that ignores shields works fantastic on their squishy hulls... XD

[Mistfox]

7 month old necro.

[Lucifer]

If you only have 66k by the endgame, you arent playing well. You need to be more aggressive to lock down more systems early on. Playing tall is great but nothing ramps up fleet power like vast tracts of land :)