Is this game deep?

[JayTac]

I've been trying to find a solid 4x for the longest. I have GalCiv 3 and it feels pretty bland after just a few hours. All the interactions just start repeating, and there really isn't any depth just binary actions with binary outcomes.

How is Stellaris in that regards. Interested in hearing your opinion and recommendations. Thanks.

[Zi]

Stellaris is pretty casual, but it is deeper than gc3. A little.

If you look for deep, some say Distant Worlds is the game to go. Heard many times but not tried seriously. Cannot stand design of it ;)

[Demon Apple]

I have distant worlds universe and it great form a deepth perception, it seems to massive to understand execpt you start to like the mechanics and things the game does

[LAG]

very wide and moderatly deep. Not civ deep but not No man sky shallow.

[Richon]

Check out the Dev Diaries for the upcoming patch (1.5 Banks) and expansion (Utopia). These will add a significant amount of depth to the game!

[Endless]

war and colonising is boring and always the same but if you make youself goals it can be pretty fun. Personally i played it for over 500 hours and i still have new ideas for races to play.the game is not really deep but you still can learn new things after some games.

[JayTac]

Appreciate the honest feedback. I'm going to try Distant Worlds now, but will add Stellaris to my wish list to check out later.

[Stelar Seven]

It's pretty deep on racial building. You can really get into who your people are and why they are that way.

There the depth ends. It's a star grab, so pretty standard 4x but because of the way difficulty is generated you don't have long relationships with a rival, you outpace and crush or render irrelevant your rivals very quickly then the game spits new rivals at you.

Banking may not add much, we'll see. I'm looking for a expansion that gives us non-military ways to interact with the other empires.

[Abisha]

No it's not a 4x type of game.
It basic missing all elements of 4x it have no diplomacy, no building, no espionage
even ship building is very poor as for it's tatical combat also very poor.

so what do it have, ahh without mods basicly nothing a empty shell which is not worth a penny.

[LAG]

Originally posted by Abisha:

No it's not a 4x type of game.
It basic missing all elements of 4x it have no diplomacy, no building, no espionage
even ship building is very poor as for it's tatical combat also very poor.

so what do it have, ahh without mods basicly nothing a empty shell which is not worth a penny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkQ5oARNxLU

[Richon]

Originally posted by LAG:

Originally posted by Abisha:

No it's not a 4x type of game.
It basic missing all elements of 4x it have no diplomacy, no building, no espionage
even ship building is very poor as for it's tatical combat also very poor.

so what do it have, ahh without mods basicly nothing a empty shell which is not worth a penny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkQ5oARNxLU

Basically, yeah. Complaining that a 4X-GSG hybrid isn't a perfect 4X is like complaining that a peanut-butter and jelly sandwich isn't the same thing as jam on toast.

[Twelvefield]

Also what you consider to be deep, or where you want that depth to be. A pretty deep game is Crusader Kings II, which is similar to Stellaris. Europa Universalis is somewhere between CKII and Stellaris. Hearts of Iron III is really deep into the war parts of the game and units. HOI4 I hear is less deep.

Stellaris and GC3 are roughly similar in depth. GC3 allows crazy ship customization to the point where making ships can be better than the game. Stellaris has more "personality" and features many small details that mimic popular science fiction and fantasty lore. So it isn't as bland as GC3, but nor is it deep. It's Matthew McConaughey in Interstellar is what it is. Here's what I mean: a tremendous and timely concept backstopped by an actor with all the science-fiction credibility of a loaf of bread, and who has the intellectual range (in performance if not in life) of a bread knife. Yet somehow it's grand, memorable entertainment.

EDIT: hilarious that STEAM hearts out the last part of McConaughey's name. I see why, but still: ♥♥♥♥.

[Exarch_Alpha]

It will be better with some extra DLC. I´d say it is as deep as EU4 or CK2 were in their respective 1.4 versions... But definitedly will fall behind either if they are their full versions and up to date patches.

It has a long learning curve, at about 50 hours (IMO), that feels honest (you are punished for mistakes and AI doesn´t get BS bonuses) so yes, it is deep. The more important question is if it´s worth buying now. IMO: no. The DLC is big with big balance changes that I doubt won´t need hotfixes or extra patch.

[Scizism]

Its a paradox game, the base game itself starts off bare bones and rather shallow and with each DLC it gets a bit deeper. Right now its not terriably deep compared to other 4X strategy games but it is getting deeper.

Honestly if you want a really deep game I would probably wait another DLC or two, maybe a few more but if you want to get into the ground floor and see how the game evolves over time and get used to features as they are added now would be a good time to buy.

[Radene]

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

EDIT: hilarious that STEAM hearts out the last part of McConaughey's name. I see why, but still: ♥♥♥♥.

I guess we ran into the Scunthorpe problem even here. Weirdly enough, this one doesn't get the hearts.

[Twelvefield]

I remember when STEAM used to heart out "wristwatch". George Carlin is either laughing in Heaven or when he becomes the Zombie Overlord, he's going to shamble all the way to Redmond and eat Gabe's brain.