Dyson Sphere

[Sesikee]

I'm excited that Stellaris will allow megastructure such as ringworld but I have a problem with the dyson sphere because I think the staff in Stellaris actually do not understand the achievement of building an Dyson Sphere.

Once an civilization built an Dyson Sphere, it literally encompasses the entire solar system and not just around the star because it can't be that close due to the heat and radiation. However, there is an distance that must be maintained for maximum effect. This has all been calculated and figured out mathematically. Therefore, they've also found in their calculation that an Dyson Sphere with the correct parameters will be equalivent to ten million earths.

This basically means in layman terms that the need to colonize other worlds will never been needed. The Dyson Sphere will literally have "infinite" space for an civilization until the sun goes nova but it is also believed that once an civilizaton has achieved the technologies on the level of a Dyson Sphere they can also keep an star going for infinite time until the universe itself contracts.

So, while I understand that this is a game, it should also be realistic in the regards of how Dyson Sphere works. Once an Dyson Sphere is built, the civilization will never need to expand again, need energy, or resources because of the technological achievements they would need to be able to achieve an Dyson Sphere in the first place.

Thus, consider that please. :)

[Karina]

That would pretty unbalanced, or require stupid amount of reources player can never collect. Im fine with the way it is- sphrere around the star that collect energy.

Also i want to ask this- in the trailer we saw Dyson Sphere in the distance and frozen hellscape with gigantic supercomputer. If you transitioned all of your pops into synthtetics via endgame researh- will you loose your robotic colony if you build Dyson Sphere around the star?

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

I disagree, while the energy would be more than enough for our civilization it should (and will) not be enough for an interstellar polity. It will create significant amount of power but it should not eliminate all power needs, that would be bad for both lore and balance.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

I disagree, while the energy would be more than enough for our civilization it should (and will) not be enough for an interstellar polity. It will create significant amount of power but it should not eliminate all power needs, that would be bad for both lore and balance.

Problem not in power. Problem in amount of mass needed to create Dyson sphere. You will need to strip at least (!) several star systems for building materials.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

I disagree, while the energy would be more than enough for our civilization it should (and will) not be enough for an interstellar polity. It will create significant amount of power but it should not eliminate all power needs, that would be bad for both lore and balance.

Problem not in power. Problem in amount of mass needed to create Dyson sphere. You will need to strip at least (!) several star systems for building materials.

Don't assume it's 100% accurate in Stellaris, gameplay is more importent then realism. To build one will merely consume every planet in the system.

[Moridin]

If you were to build a dyson sphere at 1 AU from our star you would need more matter then in the whole system including the oort cloud for even a 1 meter thick sphere. far more sensible in a game like this to use a dyson ring at the right distance for habitable worlds and a network of solar panels to create small dyson sphere at about.....the orbit of Mercury in distance.

Gass Ratt. from what they said the building of a dyson sphere will cause all the planets around it to become frozen worlds, so you could probably still have colonies on them.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Moridin:

If you were to build a dyson sphere at 1 AU from our star you would need more matter then in the whole system including the oort cloud for even a 1 meter thick sphere. far more sensible in a game like this to use a dyson ring at the right distance for habitable worlds and a network of solar panels to create small dyson sphere at about.....the orbit of Mercury in distance.

Gass Ratt. from what they said the building of a dyson sphere will cause all the planets around it to become frozen worlds, so you could probably still have colonies on them.

Actually you can't, Paradox confirmed that the process of building it will consume every planet in the system.

[Moridin]

Where? because I only read that making a dyson ring will consume every planet in the system.

[Richon]

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Originally posted by Moridin:

If you were to build a dyson sphere at 1 AU from our star you would need more matter then in the whole system including the oort cloud for even a 1 meter thick sphere. far more sensible in a game like this to use a dyson ring at the right distance for habitable worlds and a network of solar panels to create small dyson sphere at about.....the orbit of Mercury in distance.

Gass Ratt. from what they said the building of a dyson sphere will cause all the planets around it to become frozen worlds, so you could probably still have colonies on them.

Actually you can't, Paradox confirmed that the process of building it will consume every planet in the system.

Ring worlds will consume planets, Dyson sphere will make all planets frozen (which are not habitable, people are confuzing that for arctic). Unless they've made a very recent announcement that you'd be kind enough to link to...

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Richon:

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Actually you can't, Paradox confirmed that the process of building it will consume every planet in the system.

Ring worlds will consume planets, Dyson sphere will make all planets frozen (which are not habitable, people are confuzing that for arctic). Unless they've made a very recent announcement that you'd be kind enough to link to...

Ah, TIL. I must've mis-read it then.

[Astasia]

There are many different types of dyson spheres that have been proposed. The dyson shell at 1au is honestly one of the dumbest ones and least likely to ever be used, the resource cost is ridiculous and the utility is beyond superfluous. You are missing a digit in your surface area there, a 1au dyson shell would have the surface area of 550 million Earths, there's no reason to ever attempt to build something like that. The main objective of a dyson sphere is to capture all the energy of a star, and the most efficient way to do so would be to build as tight as possible. Heat and radiation isn't that much of an issue because it's not a habitat, it's a power plant, you'd build it as close as your building materials could withstand.

[Sesikee]

You guys are missing the point. It has been proven that if an solid dyson sphere was built around the solar system, it would literally have ten millions surface area of earth. It would also completely capture the energy output of a star and a star is the best source of energy anywhere.

I'm not saying to completely unbalance the game with an Dyson Sphere but the fact alone that a Dyson Sphere is consider the pinnacle of any technological civilization as it solves all the problems that forces an civilization to find worlds and colonize when it's not needed due to the surface area that an Dyson Sphere can make available for that said civilization.

Finally, it would also consume several solar system worth of resources to build it and this has also, again, mathematically proven in its estimation of how much would be required. However, I do disagree as I would think the civilization would figure out how to create matter from energy thus they could use the output of the star to create whatever matter they need. Hell, I even assume they would know Zero-point energy, which is essentially unlimited energy.

Point being is that if this is put in the game, it should be an extremely difficult achievement due to all the technologies and resources required to harnass it. For comparison, an ringworld would be infinitely times easier to construct than an Dyson Sphere. Ringworld would be far more realistic than an Dyson Sphere in terms of expectation and technological level.

If it was to be built, it should take everything that the civilization has and plus more to build it.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Sesikee:

You guys are missing the point. It has been proven that if an solid dyson sphere was built around the solar system, it would literally have ten millions surface area of earth. It would also completely capture the energy output of a star and a star is the best source of energy anywhere.

Firstly I guess it's good that dyson sphers in Stellaris don't cover the star system, only the sun. And once again Stellaris does not need accurate science, it just needs plausible science that meshes well with gameplay.

[Sesikee]

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Originally posted by Sesikee:

You guys are missing the point. It has been proven that if an solid dyson sphere was built around the solar system, it would literally have ten millions surface area of earth. It would also completely capture the energy output of a star and a star is the best source of energy anywhere.

Firstly I guess it's good that dyson sphers in Stellaris don't cover the star system, only the sun. And once again Stellaris does not need accurate science, it just needs plausible science that meshes well with gameplay.

I still say that the cost should be astronomical :)

[Moridin]

first that was a lame pun.

second it just seems that your whining about a new toy that wont be exactly the way you think it should be.

besides its sci-fi for a reason, we already have a machine that can go into a black hole, add that to the fact that ships with no shielding of anykind can get within spitting distance of all kinds of stellar phenonoma.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Sesikee:

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Firstly I guess it's good that dyson sphers in Stellaris don't cover the star system, only the sun. And once again Stellaris does not need accurate science, it just needs plausible science that meshes well with gameplay.

I still say that the cost should be astronomical :)

And it will be, the devs have been very clear that megastructures are end game content that have massive returns and masive costs.