Can't Embrace Faction?

[Autonomous]

So I just started playing Stellaris recently. Lost my first game trying to go all Star Trek like with a peaceful Federation. Decided to go militaristic this time. Full Klingon mode. The trouble I'm having is that I can't seem to embrace the first faction that came up. Same thing happened on my first play through as well. I have the Ethic it says I need and I have enough Influence. Am I missing something? See screenshots:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zj1ary59mqq903e/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.10.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f8ail8599tdpde/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.04.png?dl=0

[Knight.R]

Can't embrace Fanatic [ethos faction wants you to embrace] if you already did that when making your civ. Thats my take in it anyways.

[Nemund]

The first faction to come up is almost always your Empires already embraced faction.

[Jewbacca]

I played kinda long time ago, but you got 2 options.
Option 1: Somehow survive until late game, and unlock tech, that allow you to reduce ethnic diversity. Then you can use cede planets on them, or vassalize, then integrate 10 years later.
Option 2: Use fanatic spiritualist with divine mandate. It gives 40% ethnic diversity reduction permanently. Combined with collectivist you can enslave others, and force them to work until they get your ethos. Also slaves ignores policies for ethnic diversity. With that you can convert even totally opposite races on the other side of the galaxy with no further technology.

At least this is how it worked back then.

[Nemund]

Originally posted by Jewbacca:

I played kinda long time ago, but you got 2 options.
Option 1: Somehow survive until late game, and unlock tech, that allow you to reduce ethnic diversity. Then you can use cede planets on them, or vassalize, then integrate 10 years later.
Option 2: Use fanatic spiritualist with divine mandate. It gives 40% ethnic diversity reduction permanently. Combined with collectivist you can enslave others, and force them to work until they get your ethos. Also slaves ignores policies for ethnic diversity. With that you can convert even totally opposite races on the other side of the galaxy with no further technology.

At least this is how it worked back then.

Factions are a new thing, dramatically change the game as you can move your empires ethics to somewhere else during the game now.

[Jewbacca]

Originally posted by nevyn0ad:

Factions are a new thing, dramatically change the game as you can move your empires ethics to somewhere else during the game now.

You were always able to change politics so unhappy pops become less unhappy. Factions existed since 1.0. They are a pain in the ass always asking for independence for a sector, or planet. Except the slave factions. That is why you needed ethnic diversity reduction. With it pops gained your ethos, and then they left they faction to become loyalist, or docile slave if you had regulated slavery, and collectivist etho.

[Rhudda]

Originally posted by Jewbacca:

Originally posted by nevyn0ad:

Factions are a new thing, dramatically change the game as you can move your empires ethics to somewhere else during the game now.

You were always able to change politics so unhappy pops become less unhappy. Factions existed since 1.0. They are a pain in the ass always asking for independence for a sector, or planet. Except the slave factions. That is why you needed ethnic diversity reduction. With it pops gained your ethos, and then they left they faction to become loyalist, or docile slave if you had regulated slavery, and collectivist etho.

But that's not how it works anymore. Factions don't want independence, they want policy changes, and they don't immediately go into revolt, they simply provide base happiness to the pops that belong to them, and if their base happiness is above 60%, they provide influence. There's a new mechanic called unrest that governs uprisings. Also, we're talking about changing your governments ethics by embracing a faction, not policies.

[Azunai]

Originally posted by The Weighted Companion Cube:

So I just started playing Stellaris recently. Lost my first game trying to go all Star Trek like with a peaceful Federation. Decided to go militaristic this time. Full Klingon mode. The trouble I'm having is that I can't seem to embrace the first faction that came up. Same thing happened on my first play through as well. I have the Ethic it says I need and I have enough Influence. Am I missing something? See screenshots:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zj1ary59mqq903e/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.10.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f8ail8599tdpde/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.04.png?dl=0

that info text in the screenshot actually tells you why you can't embrace your militarist faction - because you are already fanatic militarist.

embracing shifts your government ethos in the direction of that faction ethos. which is also the reason it doesn't work for a fanatic ethos (it's already maximized).

[Autonomous]

Originally posted by Azunai:

Originally posted by The Weighted Companion Cube:

So I just started playing Stellaris recently. Lost my first game trying to go all Star Trek like with a peaceful Federation. Decided to go militaristic this time. Full Klingon mode. The trouble I'm having is that I can't seem to embrace the first faction that came up. Same thing happened on my first play through as well. I have the Ethic it says I need and I have enough Influence. Am I missing something? See screenshots:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zj1ary59mqq903e/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.10.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f8ail8599tdpde/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.04.png?dl=0

that info text in the screenshot actually tells you why you can't embrace your militarist faction - because you are already fanatic militarist.

embracing shifts your government ethos in the direction of that faction ethos. which is also the reason it doesn't work for a fanatic ethos (it's already maximized).

So when starting a new game, would it then be wiser to not go fanatic and wait for a faction to ask me to go in that direction?

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by The Weighted Companion Cube:

So when starting a new game, would it then be wiser to not go fanatic and wait for a faction to ask me to go in that direction?

Embracing a faction will anger all other factions. It should probably only be done when it is necessary to improve your chance of winning. Unless you've come up with a strategy that involves shifting your ethos (for example, start as pacifist for the bonuses, peacefully build up your empire, and then shift to militarist when ready to begin conquest of the galaxy), it is probably better to just start with the ethos you want.

[Alugere]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Originally posted by The Weighted Companion Cube:

So when starting a new game, would it then be wiser to not go fanatic and wait for a faction to ask me to go in that direction?

Embracing a faction will anger all other factions. It should probably only be done when it is necessary to improve your chance of winning. Unless you've come up with a strategy that involves shifting your ethos (for example, start as pacifist for the bonuses, peacefully build up your empire, and then shift to militarist when ready to begin conquest of the galaxy), it is probably better to just start with the ethos you want.

In addition to this, the only effects embracing a faction has is to change your ethos and to get +20% happiness for 20 years with the members of that faction. 20 years is not a long time comparitively, and while it might help you for one war, a temporary happiness boost isn't really important enough to not choose your perferred ethos to start with.

[Helios]

Originally posted by The Weighted Companion Cube:

So I just started playing Stellaris recently. Lost my first game trying to go all Star Trek like with a peaceful Federation. Decided to go militaristic this time. Full Klingon mode. The trouble I'm having is that I can't seem to embrace the first faction that came up. Same thing happened on my first play through as well. I have the Ethic it says I need and I have enough Influence. Am I missing something? See screenshots:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zj1ary59mqq903e/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.10.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f8ail8599tdpde/Screenshot%202017-04-24%2019.13.04.png?dl=0

21% of your people need to have the ethos you want to embrace (you can see this in the factions window at top) you can increase chance by removing buildings that give bonus to state ethos and one edict that give a malus on state ethos also fullfil demands of the faction you want to embrace military: be at war for example leader of faction = your ruler also a bonus.