Bio engineering the big joke.

[Abisha]

In stellaris it's a joke for example Bio engineering at that the scale of Stellaris they should be immortal by just simple cell regeneration.
No advanced species would go the path of argument it's inferior compare to bio engineering why do this not shows in stellaris???.
Again a mod from player that need fixing stellaris mess when it comes to balance and common sense.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

I think you're projecting what you imagine bioengineering to be onto Stellaris, yes it could lead to immortality but the devs haven't included that. They may if they choose to but there is no reason that it has to give immortality (though I think it would be nice if it did considering that the other two paths give immortality).

I'm not sure what mess you're talking about but I have not seen anything in your post that would help balance and "common sense" is a nonsense term used to mean "I feel that something is someway therefore it must be" it has no place in rational discussion.

[Azunai]

so it's common sense now that messing with genes will inevitably lead to immortality? seriously...

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Azunai:

so it's common sense now that messing with genes will inevitably lead to immortality? seriously...

Yeah, I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ loath the term "common sense" nine times out of ten it's being stupidly abused case in point OP's post.

[Abisha]

Originally posted by Azunai:

so it's common sense now that messing with genes will inevitably lead to immortality? seriously...

messing with genes not and that's as ancient like 5000 years ago. a Type II civilization engeneering can like we doing with GMOs.

[solops1]

Originally posted by Abisha:

In stellaris it's a joke for example Bio engineering at that the scale of Stellaris they should be immortal by just simple cell regeneration.
No advanced species would go the path of argument it's inferior compare to bio engineering why do this not shows in stellaris???.
Again a mod from player that need fixing stellaris mess when it comes to balance and common sense.

Bad spelling and bad capitalization can be overcome, but your poor punctuation and grammar make it difficult to properly evaluate your arguments.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Abisha:

Originally posted by Azunai:

so it's common sense now that messing with genes will inevitably lead to immortality? seriously...

messing with genes not and that's as ancient like 5000 years ago. a Type II civilization engeneering can like we doing with GMOs.

Firstly it's very debatable whether or not you can even be a Type II civilization in Stellaris but don't act like it's set in stone, we simply don't know whether or not biological immortality is possible. And whether it's possible or not IRL is irrelevant, Paradox are the Gods of the Stellaris Universe and they can damn well say if something is possible or not. Maybe in Stellaris mundane biology cannot perpetually exist, who knows.

[Abisha]

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Originally posted by Abisha:

messing with genes not and that's as ancient like 5000 years ago. a Type II civilization engeneering can like we doing with GMOs.

Firstly it's very debatable whether or not you can even be a Type II civilization in Stellaris but don't act like it's set in stone, we simply don't know whether or not biological immortality is possible. And whether it's possible or not IRL is irrelevant, Paradox are the Gods of the Stellaris Universe and they can damn well say if something is possible or not. Maybe in Stellaris mundane biology cannot perpetually exist, who knows.

you can build a Dyson sphere (or swarm) in stellaris that means you are type II civilization no debate nessassary.

[Von Faustien]

given the power output of out dyson sheres we sure as hell aint pulling in the full power of a star. so yes its debatable

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Abisha:

Originally posted by Fourthspartan56:

Firstly it's very debatable whether or not you can even be a Type II civilization in Stellaris but don't act like it's set in stone, we simply don't know whether or not biological immortality is possible. And whether it's possible or not IRL is irrelevant, Paradox are the Gods of the Stellaris Universe and they can damn well say if something is possible or not. Maybe in Stellaris mundane biology cannot perpetually exist, who knows.

you can build a Dyson sphere (or swarm) in stellaris that means you are type II civilization no debate nessassary.

Fair enough on that, but the rest of my points stand. Mastery of bioengineering does not guarantee immortality and even if it did Paradox has no obligation to include that, what matters is balance and verisimilitude not 100% accurate realism.

[Ficelle]

I seriously doubt any government in place would allow immortality for general populace.
Talk about surpopulation and everything which comes with it...

And i doubt many people would like the guys in power immortal either.

It is a human dream...provided you are the one immortal, or just a select few, otherwise it would turn into hell quite fast.
110 billions humans have lived upto now, happily they are dead, otherwise we would be quite cramped...

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Ficelle:

I seriously doubt any government in place would allow immortality for general populace.
Talk about surpopulation and everything which comes with it...

And i doubt many people would like the guys in power immortal either.

It is a human dream...provided you are the one immortal, or just a select few, otherwise it would turn into hell quite fast.
110 billions humans have lived upto now, happily they are dead, otherwise we would be quite cramped...

I'm not sure I agree, we currently have family planning and contraceptives. I see no reason why any organized government couldn't prevent overpopulation.

[Abisha]

Originally posted by Ficelle:

I seriously doubt any government in place would allow immortality for general populace.
Talk about surpopulation and everything which comes with it...

And i doubt many people would like the guys in power immortal either.

It is a human dream...provided you are the one immortal, or just a select few, otherwise it would turn into hell quite fast.
110 billions humans have lived upto now, happily they are dead, otherwise we would be quite cramped...

In real life.
if people would become immortal (which you would not be with 100% cell generation) keep that in mind. those people gonna live a total other kind of live they likely would take a child at the age of 5000 years or so. it will balance it self out.

In stellaris.
overpopulation really?? so many planets

[Ficelle]

In Stellaris, it wouldnt really add anything, leaders already live very very long with the techs we have.
You could make leaders immortal instead of living 150+ years, wouldnt change anything really.


If we were lving 5000 years, sure, life would be very different.

Too bad, the society would stay stagnant as the guys in place in all domains would stay there for a very very very long time with no reason to leave the place at all.
New ideas would come at a very slow pace.
At least, death makes place for new guys allowing a constant and fresh new take on things.

Note that i would have no problem to be immortal (provided i can end it if i want), but me and perhaps some selected by me people, noone else.

[Elementium]

Bio Engineering are nearly good for immortality, I mean with venerable + robust talent, your guy can already leave for nearly 200 years without the other bonus, the real strenght of the bio engineering is the adaptation.

One help you to habit more planets and give additionnal years to your guys,

another boost your sciences in every way,

another allow to grow your pop faster than any other faction, populating the galaxie with your specie,

another give you living robots

and other thing.

What I agree, is that you can't "uppgrade" your gene, that is a joke, why can't we can't go from stong to super strong or from intelligent to erudite ?

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If you only care about immortality then go for the synth, at the pisonic guy, only the chosen one are immortal

[Abisha]

Originally posted by Soketsu:

Bio Engineering are nearly good for immortality, I mean with venerable + robust talent, your guy can already leave for nearly 200 years without the other bonus, the real strenght of the bio engineering is the adaptation.

One help you to habit more planets and give additionnal years to your guys,

another boost your sciences in every way,

another allow to grow your pop faster than any other faction, populating the galaxie with your specie,

another give you living robots

and other thing.

What I agree, is that you can't "uppgrade" your gene, that is a joke, why can't we can't go from stong to super strong or from intelligent to erudite ?

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If you only care about immortality then go for the synth, at the pisonic guy, only the chosen one are immortal

Exactly those propaganda tech nerds try to push on people, like you need "robotic crap to live forever it's total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. So why can't stellaris dev's not add 500+ or 1000+ years to Engineered Evolution? It's like being master with CRISPR but can't do crap.