Starship troopers Federation

[Demon of Elru]

What would be good civics and traits for a society mirroring the one in the movie? I assume its some sort of military council?

[jacobellinger]

Originally posted by Ungenau84:

Either fanatic militarist/xenophobe or militarist/xenophobe/spiritualist I suggest.
The psychic military intelligence thing can fit with the hole nazi thing, if you think about Hitlers "Germania" northern Mythology or the "Thule Gesellschaft" ...

I think they even had psychic spies IRL!! look up remote veiwing research and the nazi psychic warfar research.

[Demon of Elru]

Thanks I switchhed to Oligarchy.

[Beryll Argent]

To those who only saw the movie I strongly recommend reading the original novel.
It might just give you an entirely new viewpoint to consider about what "Militarism" means and what "Citizenship" and "Responsibility" mean.

[Sphinx of Black Quartz]

Originally posted by Tecuani:

To those who only saw the movie I strongly recommend reading the original novel.
It might just give you an entirely new viewpoint to consider about what "Militarism" means and what "Citizenship" and "Responsibility" mean.

... although the author's implicit assertion that only veterans can be trusted to vote responsibly is ironic, given he was a REMF who medicaled out before ever seeing combat.

[phantommail]

Originally posted by Tecuani:

To those who only saw the movie I strongly recommend reading the original novel.
It might just give you an entirely new viewpoint to consider about what "Militarism" means and what "Citizenship" and "Responsibility" mean.

Add "Double Star" to it. Some interesting thoughts as well.

[Azunai]

i guess they would be quite similar to the premade "commonwealth of man" humans. definitely miliaristic and xenophobic. not sure about the government type. i guess it might pass as a sort-of-democacy. oligarchy or dicatorship would work, too.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Jessi:

you guys its satire, about the ills of militarism and fascism. they are supposed to be nazis. seriously. the director grew up under nazi occupation and has stated this directly. Its a brutal police state. they make heroes out of fanatical storm troopers. they portray their villains as dehumanized vermin fit only for extermination.

like.... its so obvious
they are walking around in nazi uniforms like how did you miss that

I think we all know that, the point is that in the book it wasn't connected to Fascism at-all. The movie is a pretty classic example of In Name Only Adaption[tvtropes.org].

[Terijian]

right I get that, as I said above the movie and book are barely related. and again the op was specifically asking about the movie, just sayin

[Arcos]

Xenophobe Militarist (Egalitarien),Spiritualist if we consider the psychic training we saw,.Oligarchic from what we have seen, maybe dictatorial,
Nationalistic Zeal, Citizen Service( One girls wants to go into politics, that is why she serves), Distinguished admiralty(Fleet seems superior to footsoldiars by a big margin).
At least that's what i remember.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Originally posted by Arcos:

Xenophobe Militarist (Egalitarien),Spiritualist if we consider the psychic training we saw,.Oligarchic from what we have seen, maybe dictatorial,
Nationalistic Zeal, Citizen Service( One girls wants to go into politics, that is why she serves), Distinguished admiralty(Fleet seems superior to footsoldiars by a big margin).
At least that's what i remember.

I don't think their governing ethos can accurately be called spiritualist, sure they may have psychic training but that doesn't justify spiritualism.

[Megadew]

Originally posted by Ungenau84:

Originally posted by jacobellinger:

Authoritarian xenophobes imo. maybe just choose Oligarchic government, zenophobe and finatic Materialist. Kinda fits best imo.

Oligarchic sounds good, but I'm not sure about materialist? Were there robots? (Can't remember, but I dont think so ^^)

Btw. I'll play the Bugs :D

the bugs could be a hivemind

[Twelvefield]

Depends on the bugs you want. It's been years since I read the book, but there were, what, skinnies as well, which were humanoid. We never learn the nature of the Bug hierarchy from the movie, unless it's discussed in a sequel. There are Brain Bugs which act as generals in the field, but considering how the Bugs adapt, there's likely a higher echelon that sends orders to the Brains. So... oligarchy? Certainly the lower forms don't think for themselves all that much, or at least we aren't made privy to their thoughts. They'd be something like a nerve-stapled xeno clone army. No idea how the Bugs get around in space, either. Since the book takes the view of theground forces, we don't ever find out much about Bug vs Human space battles. Fleet and Mobile Infantry don't mix.

[Arcos]

That's more for the part to be able to go mind over mater and develop the trait, nothing else.

[Demon of Elru]

Yeah I chose Militarist Fanatic Xenophobe and Oligarrchy. Citzen Service and efficient beaurocracy.

[AlVee]

As for purely fluff:

Demoracy

F.Egalitarian
Militarist

Citizen Service
Meritocracy/Beacon of Liberty

Intelligent/Conformists

Psychic Ascension

Missiles
Warpdrive

Considering the society in the first two movies and the book are pretty much identical (afaik only sexism exists in the books, different quaters on the ships for men and women), I would take Fanatic Egalitarian.
Since it is a indirect democracy (nearly all western countries have one, including the i.m.o. not up to date U.S. system, in which the President is also appointed indirectly), I would take a democracy.
The foundation is deffinitly militaristic but you don't have to serve so just Militaristic.
Citizen Service is a must.
For the second civic I am not sure wether to take Beacon of Liberty or Meritocracy.
I think both apply very well to the society, especially if you look at the description.
Human society was in a breakdown and the formation of the Federation by warveterans was a nescessity and led humanity into a golden age of prosperrity.
On the other hand those veterans faught corrruption and put a high ideal on indiviual skill.
As for traits I would take Conformists, mabe intelligent.
Ascension is Psychic.

This even ain't too bad a setup, especialy if you take intelligent and Beacon of Liberty.

I am deffinitly opposed to Xenophobe.
In the movie Bugs are initialy not considered intelligent, thus not a society.
In the books the Federation even allys itself with the Skinnies, an alien species at first allied with the Arachnoids.

B.t.w. in the books Bugs have spaceships and energy/lasergunns, and the mobile Infantry fights in high speed rocketmechs only piloted by the very best. Thus the federations ground troops are not made up of large masses of cannonfodder, but very small elity units of M.I. and the K9 corps.