Player trading is locked behind the premium pass, just be aware.

[Egg Salad]

That is an immediate skip from me. If they are locking something that crucial behind a monthly pass, I can only see this getting more and more greedy.

[Ratsplat]

Surprised there isn't just simply a trading limit. Like if you wanted to give someone 1 log.

[Varpushaukka]

So that essentially means F2P is the official ironman mode, nice.

[Halligan]

have you never played runescape before? it's not a "premium pass" the game is a sub based game with a generous free trial just like osrs and rs3, and to avoid irreparable damage to the economy via bots on free accounts, trading is restricted

[Freya Crescent]

Honestly, I'm fine with free accounts not being able to trade. Today's RuneScape economy is ♥♥♥♥. I doubt this is the only change they are making, but I'm incredibly glad that they are changing it.

One of the Professions is called "Merchant" so unless a Merchant sells items to NPCs, it's possible that you need to level up the Merchant to unlock some features/raise certain limits of trading. Again, probably not the only change being made, but a possible deterrent for bots and other malefactors.

It's impossible to know everyone's background in an MMO game, but if you're saying that free players need more access, without having actually played the game yet, then you've never played a truly free MMO. Truly free MMOs are absolutely filled to the brim with toxic people in the chat, gold sellers, people who ragequit dungeons at the entrance after checking the party's level/class, griefers... it's an absolute necessity to restrict the free players to have any semblance of order.

[Marexn]

I don't have a problem with it, but I do hope that there's auction house which is for F2P.

[WookieWeener]

So, you would rather not be able to play at all for free then be able to play a little bit for free?

[Denvin]

This is the system that runescape uses. Its fine. The disabled trading on F2P will keep alot of bots out. Be happy they offer it for free. If u like the game u will most likely buy membership anyway on day 1....

[Freya Crescent]

Originally posted by Denvin:

This is the system that runescape uses.

The intention is definitely to keep bots out, but I believe you're mistaken on this bit. RuneScape limits free to play trading. F2P are able to trade with anyone, but can only trade/sell F2P items. A F2P can buy/sell/smith Rune Scimitars, but cannot buy/sell Dragon Scimitars as they are a member's item.

From the sounds of it, Brighter Shores is going to remove even that limited functionality: F2P cannot trade. Period. Player Trading is not unlocked/available until Crenopolis (the 4th area/zone) according to the infographic on the Store Page, and F2P only have access up to the 2nd town. https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/2791440/extras/tier_comparison_table.png?t=1710414187

It could just be a misunderstanding but the way it's laid out says that players without the Premium Pass absolutely cannot player-to-player trade. At all.

[dotnet]

Just don't trade then. Looks like we're all playing Ironman.

[Scheneighnay]

I think it's a great idea because it's the simplest way to prevent bots from tanking the economy.

[John Columbo]

It does say "player to player trading" specifically though, which makes me wonder if there will be a Grand Exchange / Auction House type place, where the process is mostly automated.

Food for thought.

[Freya Crescent]

Originally posted by John Columbo:

It does say "player to player trading" specifically though, which makes me wonder if there will be a Grand Exchange / Auction House type place, where the process is mostly automated.

Food for thought.

If there is, it'll be in Crenopolis (4th zone) since that's where all the other superfluous things are happening (Unique name claim, name change, armor dyes) so it's probably the largest city in the base game. You need Premium to access the town, so it's likely trading isn't even unlocked until you visit there.

Also worth noting that Andrew Gower said in an interview that the Premium Pass isn't a recurring subscription, so it's likely a one-time unlock. You'd have to buy the pass again after major updates to access new content, but you wouldn't 'lose' your access to the existing features you paid for. https://www.gamesradar.com/ahead-of-his-new-mmo-runescape-creator-says-games-have-gotten-too-microtransaction-heavy-our-number-one-aim-is-not-monetization-its-players/

Originally posted by Article snippet from Andrew Gower:

Brighter Shores will instead have a paid premium pass that offers new quests and features, and Gower explains that it's "loosely similar" to RuneScape's membership. "One of the key differences is we're probably not going to do auto-recurring payments," continues Gower.

"Everyone's got their millions of different streaming service subscriptions," Gower explains. "The Netflix subscriptions, Amazon Prime subscriptions, people are getting a certain degree of subscription fatigue. So we've decided to just make it a non-recurring payment. You can just buy a pass, get the premium, it's not like a commitment that you're then gonna have to pay that forever."

[Varpushaukka]

Originally posted by Freya Crescent:

Also worth noting that Andrew Gower said in an interview that the Premium Pass isn't a recurring subscription, so it's likely a one-time unlock. You'd have to buy the pass again after major updates to access new content, but you wouldn't 'lose' your access to the existing features you paid for. https://www.gamesradar.com/ahead-of-his-new-mmo-runescape-creator-says-games-have-gotten-too-microtransaction-heavy-our-number-one-aim-is-not-monetization-its-players/

Originally posted by Article snippet from Andrew Gower:

Brighter Shores will instead have a paid premium pass that offers new quests and features, and Gower explains that it's "loosely similar" to RuneScape's membership. "One of the key differences is we're probably not going to do auto-recurring payments," continues Gower.

"Everyone's got their millions of different streaming service subscriptions," Gower explains. "The Netflix subscriptions, Amazon Prime subscriptions, people are getting a certain degree of subscription fatigue. So we've decided to just make it a non-recurring payment. You can just buy a pass, get the premium, it's not like a commitment that you're then gonna have to pay that forever."

It says *probably* not going to do auto-recurring payments, so it sounds to me like they'll try one-time payments first, and if that isn't sustainable, they'll go the subscription route. But even so, damn, I really hope this is going to make some waves in the MMO industry, it would be a very welcome change amidst all the bull that keeps happening in other MMOs.

[23]

I'll be more than happy if this follows the same subscription model as Runescape but this time costing 5 or 6 dollars at most instead

[dotnet]

Non-recurring just sounds like "expansion pack" or "season pass" to me.

Pay X amount up front, get content permanently. Next set of content will cost another X amount. In this context: a new zone, quests, professions, items, etc.