boobs everywhere, is this game worth it's money?

[Quickshooter]

i still remmeber that greenlit trailer
looked promising but nothing special really

why there are boobs on the cover, on the enemies/antagonist etc...
i mean i usually avoid games that use the female body to sell themselves (witcher series doesn't really count, game is fundimently amazing)

so fellow communters, is this game worth my 10$ or should i just wait for freedom planet to come out in 3 days from now (freedom planet is just full of that sega genesis nostalgia
sonic, rocket knight and some other games were thrown into the mix, i know it kinda rips off but that's how you make a good game

you rip off from the most succsessful games and add some soul to it and a masterpiece is born.


is there a demo of this game to try it out?

[TheTurnipKing]

Both types of clothing are in the game.

[shadow_otm]

Would you people stop slut shaming the characters of the game?

[TheTurnipKing]

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/537377477979820331/C0F4B06BA487040030FD46F6C2A0B898CC00544B/

[WarPigeon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TheTurnipKing:

Both types of clothing are in the game.

The OP's point is that the store page material only features the revealing stuff, hence the cheap look to it.

Początkowo opublikowane przez shadow_otm:

Would you people stop **** shaming the characters of the game?

We aren't shaming the characters because they aren't real. We're criticizing the dev's lack of variety in character design.

[LemonRush7777]

She is a belly dancer. Some skin will definitely show.

If boobs trigger you, though, you can always check out the Polygon review and let them form an opinion for you.

[Dangerous Beans]

It's a fracking video game, not a gorram political statement.

[shadow_otm]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dangerous Beans:

It's a fracking video game, not a gorram political statement.

Tell that to the people that write what passes for the mainstream of "games journalism", apparently every game is a political statement...

[WarPigeon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez shadow_otm:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dangerous Beans:

It's a fracking video game, not a gorram political statement.

Tell that to the people that write what passes for the mainstream of "games journalism", apparently every game is a political statement...

Oh please. the writers have a right to voice their opinion, and if you don't like it you are more than welcome to make your own "politics free" review site and see how well that does.

In any case, the OP was against the focus on breasts in the game because it looks cheap, not for political reasons...

[LemonRush7777]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WarPigeon:

Początkowo opublikowane przez shadow_otm:

Tell that to the people that write what passes for the mainstream of "games journalism", apparently every game is a political statement...

Oh please. the writers have a right to voice their opinion, and if you don't like it you are more than welcome to make your own "politics free" review site and see how well that does.

In any case, the OP was against the focus on breasts in the game because it looks cheap, not for political reasons...

And he seemed like a loon because he ignored the context as plenty of people here explained in detail.

[WarPigeon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fenrir007:

Początkowo opublikowane przez WarPigeon:

Oh please. the writers have a right to voice their opinion, and if you don't like it you are more than welcome to make your own "politics free" review site and see how well that does.

In any case, the OP was against the focus on breasts in the game because it looks cheap, not for political reasons...

And he seemed like a loon because he ignored the context as plenty of people here explained in detail.

Except that there is no context in the store page splash image. The characters aren't shown lounging in a tropical setting. It's not even immediately clear that Shantae is a belly dancer because you only see her from the torso up.

It just looks like lazy/cheap character design when all the female characters in that image have essentially the same body type/pose. An ad image like that should try to convey as much info as possible about the game, so I don't really think you can call someone a "loon" for looking at that pic and assuming that the game doesn't have much going for it aside from boobs.

[LemonRush7777]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WarPigeon:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fenrir007:

And he seemed like a loon because he ignored the context as plenty of people here explained in detail.

Except that there is no context in the store page splash image. The characters aren't shown lounging in a tropical setting. It's not even immediately clear that Shantae is a belly dancer because you only see her from the torso up.

It just looks like lazy/cheap character design when all the female characters in that image have essentially the same body type/pose. An ad image like that should try to convey as much info as possible about the game, so I don't really think you can call someone a "loon" for looking at that pic and assuming that the game doesn't have much going for it aside from boobs.

Complaining about something without context is the mark of the uneducated. He could maybe check trailers, for example, to see this is not a game about boobs. Shantae's clothes and the fact that she is a genie are already a dead giveaway of her characterization. It's hard to take someone like that remotely seriously.

[WarPigeon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fenrir007:

Początkowo opublikowane przez WarPigeon:

Except that there is no context in the store page splash image. The characters aren't shown lounging in a tropical setting. It's not even immediately clear that Shantae is a belly dancer because you only see her from the torso up.

It just looks like lazy/cheap character design when all the female characters in that image have essentially the same body type/pose. An ad image like that should try to convey as much info as possible about the game, so I don't really think you can call someone a "loon" for looking at that pic and assuming that the game doesn't have much going for it aside from boobs.

Complaining about something without context is the mark of the uneducated. He could maybe check trailers, for example, to see this is not a game about boobs. Shantae's clothes and the fact that she is a genie are already a dead giveaway of her characterization. It's hard to take someone like that remotely seriously.

See, the thing is that the devs chose not to add any context to the image. Even if the OP watches a trailer or checks a wiki after, it's still a valid question as to why the devs elected to feature the upper torso of 3 female characters rather than the setting, Shantae's dancing, etc.

And again, note that the original post is a question, not a complaint or a tirade against the sexualization of women in games. That's why I really don't understand the backlash against him in this thread. People accuse him of overreacting, yet it seems to me that they are just as guilty as him of that.

[LemonRush7777]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WarPigeon:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fenrir007:

Complaining about something without context is the mark of the uneducated. He could maybe check trailers, for example, to see this is not a game about boobs. Shantae's clothes and the fact that she is a genie are already a dead giveaway of her characterization. It's hard to take someone like that remotely seriously.

See, the thing is that the devs chose not to add any context to the image. Even if the OP watches a trailer or checks a wiki after, it's still a valid question as to why the devs elected to feature the upper torso of 3 female characters rather than the setting, Shantae's dancing, etc.

And again, note that the original post is a question, not a complaint or a tirade against the sexualization of women in games. That's why I really don't understand the backlash against him in this thread. People accuse him of overreacting, yet it seems to me that they are just as guilty as him of that.

The fact that she is clearly labeled as a "half genie" on the store description and wears compatible garbs with a clear arabesque/genie inclination should clue him in about it. All available for him to see in the store front page. The game levels also have a heavy tropical feel to them, an indication the place where Shantae lives is hot. Less clothes are a boon in these circunstances (and being a half-genie, I doubt she has to worry about things like insolation).

I don't get why her boobs are so triggering, by the way. They are covered, are they not? Or do you want to deflate them? Is the size not right or something? The reason why she wears that top falls into the arabian motif, especially for a genie. The fact that she is a belly dancer cements this (which I will admit that is a piece of information not presented on the store front).

Zombie girl in the back seems to be in proper "clothing". Tattered, but she is undead, so that possibly is there to reinforce this aspect. More importantly, her mammary region is completely covered. Any complaints about her?

Risky has a boob plate, sure. And bigger boobs than the average in the Shantae world, I suppose. Is this bad? Maybe she is like that because she is meant to be a more extreme counterpart to Shantae. Maybe she is like that because of the sea motif she has going (being a pirate. Yeah, this is not proper, real world pirate garb, but still doesn't seem entirely misplaced, especially in a fantasy setting / apparently tropical region) Or maybe she is like that because devs wanted a titty monster in it. Whatever is the reason, she is one character where, maybe, possibly, perhaps the attire is not entirely fitting, and she isn't even the main character. Being the antagonist, maybe that was the point - make some people hate her for her straighforwardness with her... hum... booty. If this was the point, it may have worked wonderfully with you guys.

I will never understand this obsession with "boobs". There is a lot more to characterization than "Boobs are covered? Y/ N" if this is the issue. But that's just my opinion.

[WarPigeon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fenrir007:

Początkowo opublikowane przez WarPigeon:

See, the thing is that the devs chose not to add any context to the image. Even if the OP watches a trailer or checks a wiki after, it's still a valid question as to why the devs elected to feature the upper torso of 3 female characters rather than the setting, Shantae's dancing, etc.

And again, note that the original post is a question, not a complaint or a tirade against the sexualization of women in games. That's why I really don't understand the backlash against him in this thread. People accuse him of overreacting, yet it seems to me that they are just as guilty as him of that.

The fact that she is clearly labeled as a "half genie" on the store description and wears compatible garbs with a clear arabesque/genie inclination should clue him in about it. All available for him to see in the store front page. The game levels also have a heavy tropical feel to them, an indication the place where Shantae lives is hot. Less clothes are a boon in these circunstances (and being a half-genie, I doubt she has to worry about things like insolation).

I don't get why her boobs are so triggering, by the way. They are covered, are they not? Or do you want to deflate them? Is the size not right or something? The reason why she wears that top falls into the arabian motif, especially for a genie. The fact that she is a belly dancer cements this (which I will admit that is a piece of information not presented on the store front).

Zombie girl in the back seems to be in proper "clothing". Tattered, but she is undead, so that possibly is there to reinforce this aspect. More importantly, her mammary region is completely covered. Any complaints about her?

Risky has a boob plate, sure. And bigger boobs than the average in the Shantae world, I suppose. Is this bad? Maybe she is like that because she is meant to be a more extreme counterpart to Shantae. Maybe she is like that because of the sea motif she has going (being a pirate. Yeah, this is not proper, real world pirate garb, but still doesn't seem entirely misplaced, especially in a fantasy setting / apparently tropical region) Or maybe she is like that because devs wanted a titty monster in it. Whatever is the reason, she is one character where, maybe, possibly, perhaps the attire is not entirely fitting, and she isn't even the main character. Being the antagonist, maybe that was the point - make some people hate her for her straighforwardness with her... hum... booty. If this was the point, it may have worked wonderfully with you guys.

I will never understand this obsession with "boobs". There is a lot more to characterization than "Boobs are covered? Y/ N" if this is the issue. But that's just my opinion.

I agree that there is a lot more to this issue than "Boobs are covered? Y/N". What many people don't realize is that it's totally possible to have characters with big/exposed boobs without them being sexualized.

For example, many feminists fight against the censorship of breastfeeding pics on social media. If feminists were actually against big/exposed breasts, this wouldn't make sense right? The fact is that it isn't the breasts themselves that are offensive; it's how they are portrayed.

Let's look at what I mean: as you mentioned, the zombie girl's chest is pretty much completely covered. So she should be okay, right? Well, not quite. The artist still felt the need to emphasize the bust by exposing some sideboob. Moreover, the character's pose draws even more attention to that part of her body. It's a pretty unnatural, awkward pose for someone to make unless they are simply trying to show off their assets.

Speaking of poses, did you notice that Shantae and Risky have almost the exact same body figure and posture? Take away clothes/hair/etc. and the only difference would be breast size and a raised arm. And again, both characters are arching their backs and jutting out their chests in a way that would be impossible (or at the very least very umcomfortable) for most people.

In the end, none of these artistic choices is necessarily that bad alone, but the fact that they are all together in an image that's supposed to quickly convey the nature of the game to someone with no prior knowledge of it is pretty suspect. For the record, I knew about Shantae and her backstory before the Steam release, but the store image still made me facepalm when I first saw it. It makes the game look like one of those cheap-o mobile ports, so I can see where the OP is coming from. This doesn't mean I don't like the game, or that I don't think there should be any more fanservice like this. It simply means that I think the advertising materials look cheap, which is a shame considering how good the game is.

And if your interested in learning more about character design, MovieBob made a good video that sums it up pretty quickly. The relevant part starts at 1:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tscawF9bSiQ

[LemonRush7777]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WarPigeon:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fenrir007:

The fact that she is clearly labeled as a "half genie" on the store description and wears compatible garbs with a clear arabesque/genie inclination should clue him in about it. All available for him to see in the store front page. The game levels also have a heavy tropical feel to them, an indication the place where Shantae lives is hot. Less clothes are a boon in these circunstances (and being a half-genie, I doubt she has to worry about things like insolation).

I don't get why her boobs are so triggering, by the way. They are covered, are they not? Or do you want to deflate them? Is the size not right or something? The reason why she wears that top falls into the arabian motif, especially for a genie. The fact that she is a belly dancer cements this (which I will admit that is a piece of information not presented on the store front).

Zombie girl in the back seems to be in proper "clothing". Tattered, but she is undead, so that possibly is there to reinforce this aspect. More importantly, her mammary region is completely covered. Any complaints about her?

Risky has a boob plate, sure. And bigger boobs than the average in the Shantae world, I suppose. Is this bad? Maybe she is like that because she is meant to be a more extreme counterpart to Shantae. Maybe she is like that because of the sea motif she has going (being a pirate. Yeah, this is not proper, real world pirate garb, but still doesn't seem entirely misplaced, especially in a fantasy setting / apparently tropical region) Or maybe she is like that because devs wanted a titty monster in it. Whatever is the reason, she is one character where, maybe, possibly, perhaps the attire is not entirely fitting, and she isn't even the main character. Being the antagonist, maybe that was the point - make some people hate her for her straighforwardness with her... hum... booty. If this was the point, it may have worked wonderfully with you guys.

I will never understand this obsession with "boobs". There is a lot more to characterization than "Boobs are covered? Y/ N" if this is the issue. But that's just my opinion.

I agree that there is a lot more to this issue than "Boobs are covered? Y/N". What many people don't realize is that it's totally possible to have characters with big/exposed boobs without them being sexualized.

For example, many feminists fight against the censorship of breastfeeding pics on social media. If feminists were actually against big/exposed breasts, this wouldn't make sense right? The fact is that it isn't the breasts themselves that are offensive; it's how they are portrayed.

Let's look at what I mean: as you mentioned, the zombie girl's chest is pretty much completely covered. So she should be okay, right? Well, not quite. The artist still felt the need to emphasize the bust by exposing some sideboob. Moreover, the character's pose draws even more attention to that part of her body. It's a pretty unnatural, awkward pose for someone to make unless they are simply trying to show off their assets.

Speaking of poses, did you notice that Shantae and Risky have almost the exact same body figure and posture? Take away clothes/hair/etc. and the only difference would be breast size and a raised arm. And again, both characters are arching their backs and jutting out their chests in a way that would be impossible (or at the very least very umcomfortable) for most people.

In the end, none of these artistic choices is necessarily that bad alone, but the fact that they are all together in an image that's supposed to quickly convey the nature of the game to someone with no prior knowledge of it is pretty suspect. For the record, I knew about Shantae and her backstory before the Steam release, but the store image still made me facepalm when I first saw it. It makes the game look like one of those cheap-o mobile ports, so I can see where the OP is coming from. This doesn't mean I don't like the game, or that I don't think there should be any more fanservice like this. It simply means that I think the advertising materials look cheap, which is a shame considering how good the game is.

And if your interested in learning more about character design, MovieBob made a good video that sums it up pretty quickly. The relevant part starts at 1:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tscawF9bSiQ

This is a very unpleasdant conversation to me considering I'm in the camp that doesn't give a damn about the issues you both care so much about. I look mostly at game mechanics to evaluate games (as well as story and characterization, of course, but "boobs" don't really have a big impact on this evaluation to me) and I believe you guys make mountains out of mole hills, but I'll make an effort to continue on this unproductive debate (unproductive to me, let me make this very clear).

First of all, when you say sexualization, are you saying she is being objectified or simply expressing her physical attractiveness? Just to make sure we are on the same wavelenght here.

I don't find sexualization bad at all - as in, characters being physically attractive and touting that around. You use the word "offensive" regarding the portrayal of breats. Here is the thing: finding something offensive is a completely subjective exercise. People are extremely varied and some find themselves offended even by their own shadows.

Let's go into specifics. The Zombie girl. She is a zombie. A zombie cartoon girl. Realistic poses are really secondary in the whimsical world of cartoons. I frankly didn't even notice the sideboob until you mentioned it, and even then I have to strain my eyes to sort of see it. All I see, instead, is the exaggerated mannerism of cartoon characters in display.

Risky and Shantae having the exact same pose and body figure could, again, be what I said before - a contrast between both, who stand on opposite sides as protagonist and antagonist. I said my piece on this already.

Now, your problem seems to be how the banner misrepresents the game. Okay, fair enough. Could it be better? Maybe. Would having boobs completely covered somehow give the player a better assessment of how the game truly is? I doubt it. If you look at the pixel versions of the characters, you will see they are a lot more tame, if anything because their size applies a lot of reductionism to their body parts, so things get muddy at that point. The banner itself doesn't tell you anything about the plataforming mechanics, the story (besides possibly hinting at the overall theme) and tells very, very little about the characters themselves. But the banner doesn't exist in a vacuum. If you judge a game solely on what a store banner shows, you will be making a lot of bad purchases (or skipping on good ones). There is a lot more information there, including a game trailer, to allow you to properly assess if the game is worth your time or not. I also fail to see how much difference it would actually make to have the characters on more tame, politically correct poses.

Also, I'm sorry, but I have no intention of indulging in anything made by moviebob. Feel free to type his main points if it is relevant to the discussion, though.