Adewale Better Lead Character Than Edward?

[theamericanalucard]

IMO, this is how i rank the AC characters 1.Alatair 2. Connor 3.Adewale 4.Ezio 5. Aveline 6. Edward 7. Assasin Desmond 8.Desmond. What about you guys?

[OLEHPER]

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[BotchTots]

I understand that is your opinion but my opinion is that this list sucks.

Ezio was by far the best character

[Maechen]

Dezes původně napsal:

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QFT. Totally agree.

Oh and Ezio by far>the rest in any order. They were all bad imo except for Altair in Revelations.

[Ben]

Edward was actually really good, I'd put Ezio as #1 then Edward #2. I felt Connor was just such an unrelatable character who was nowhere near as interesting as the others. His voice was just so monotone and everything :/

[Kiska Expert]

I can't choose between Edward and Adewale. I very bad speak English. Sorry for my mistakes. I hope you understand me

[Forsaken Buge]

Conner, sure he was a good assassin and all, but why didn't he have emotion? It's like "I have to kill my kin" doesn't care.

[Tuffcooke]

NECROOOOOOOO

[jonsono]

Altair was the worst

[Tuffcooke]

NECROOOOOOOO

[sablume76]

My favorite list. 1. Ezio 2.Altair 3.Arno 4.Edward 5.Adewale 6. Desmond 7. Aveline 8.Connor maybe 9. but haven´t played rogue yet

[Ravagexe]

Necro plz.

Now that Rogue and Unity is here, no one needs to worry about the rest. Arno may suit somewhere but Shay is undoubtfully one of the worst characters ever created in gaming history.

[Prussiaball]

in my book adewale is more badass but edward could beat anyone he has the most guns soo..... xD

[dessnr]

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Captain Awesomepants původně napsal:

Sigh. Binary logic showing it's hand again. First off, this isn't a minority hijacking of the game given the first game effectively stared a minority. Altair couldn't be "white" as you're envisioning "white." Given his physical appearence and the region he's most likely Middle Eastern, or semetic. Then again you probably demand Jesus is a "white guy" given European appropriation to make the figure look less Jewish. Secondly, white guys don't only fight white guys, or even just guys, in action movies these days. They also don't only pair up with their own race and/or sex.

You're giving the classic, "OMG I'M WHITE AND I'M NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE," argument right now. This isn't about the "politically correct" invading every sphere of your existance. In reality it's about creative decisions made by a team of writers, though we could go a step further to include more. This is about "inclusion" in order to begin dissolving difference. Percieved difference is what generates categories that allow for oppression of various forms. It is through difference that the Other is destroyed by attributing to the individual a plastic form. Your concieved dispute is only another way of categorization and in the process you demand, effectively, for segregated video games.

The position you're articulating suggests several things. First you don't understand what feminism strives to accomplish. It isn't about "Women are men!" like you seem to imply, where women demand to have everything identical to their male counter-parts. Last I checked most women are quite comfortable not having a penis. Feminism is about the dissolving of underlying assumed difference that has continued to be perpetuated through-out the social structure. As this begins to erode, evident through women entering the broader work-force as more than domestics or fulfilling classically feminine roles, men have a tendency of crying foul and blame due to the fear of an archaic and crumbling power structure. Secondly race isn't as clear cut as you'd love it to be. I noticed you didn't even mention Connor in you initial post, why is that? Is it because dealing with a multi-racial is particularly difficult? What happens to your argument in that case? Is Connor white for your purposes? Do you understand him as having the complicated personal perspective of being mixed, or did that blow past you? Do you just pass him off as a "minority" in order to simply ignore the emotional crisis that the character is displayed as going through? Race isn't simply the binary result of white / black. Even if it was I'd expect, given you seem to think a grand amount of yourself, that you would recognize that the slash keeping the two apart is ever sliding, always shifting, and never fully defined. Let alone that in order for something to be defined as "white" in that set up there must be something that "white" is not. And what it is not is where the problem creeps in that we've already been through. Self percieved difference.

tl;dr: Go read someone such as Levinas and stop being so terrified of no longer being at the top of a "whites only" power structure.

Ah, another white male racist/sexist (or a supporter of the practice) that dismisses racism and sexism towards white males because of his/her flawed logic that all white males are at the top of society and always have been. What a bunch of leftist liberal rubbish you've been fed. Fact, most white males are at the bottom of society. Very few, (less than 1%) are at the very top. So you're allowing discrimination to exist against an entire race and sex based on the idea that the white male is represented by the very small minority of super elites (1%ers) at the very top of society.

Btw, I have yet to see a movie or game in the last 50 years where the majority of the enemies are black and/or female with a white male hero. But I have seen tons of movies and games where with a black and/or female hero beating up and killing off hordes of white males - and the white male are usually depicted as racists or sexists or rapists to give the "hero" some sort of justification for their violence against the white male. D'Jango Unchained anyone? Mississippi Burning? The Green Mile? I could go on and on... Hell, what about the book and movie "To Kill a Mockingbird" that came out long ago? All of it is fictionalized propaganda used to exploit and villianize the white male based on slavery which has been abolished for 150 years in America! And it was mostly white males that wanted to end slavery. The very first slave owner in America was a black man! And it was the Spanish that captured the bulk of the Africans and made them slaves and brought them to America - not white men.

And most slaves were treated very well by their masters despite what you want to believe and have been shown in various propaganda pieces. Sure, the slavery of those people was wrong. We all know that now. But the fact of the matter is they were treated and fed much better by their masters than they were back in Africa. Slave owners didn't buy slaves just to beat them and work them to death. A slave back then cost what you'd pay for a brand new car today. Slaves that got disorderly and raped and beat female slaves were probably whipped very severly to deter other slaves from doing it since a rape or beating would put a female slave out of work for weeks or months or even for life. Or if two male slaves got in a fight and one beat the other up so badly that he could not work. But even white men were taken in as slaves during this period, especially if they were poor and uneducated. And even white men were flogged and beaten - probably more often than black men. And the entire Civil war was mostly white men vs white men to abolish slavery and keep the Union together. It was a tough time for everyone and discipline was harsh, serious, and swift. And now that punishment is not like that anymore our society is rampant with crime.

If slavery and racism was so bad then why not write books and make movies based on real life incidents instead of fictionalizing them to spread hatred towards the white male and sympathy for the poor black man? Please, make a game or movie about a real life incident or event and keep it true to words of those who witnessed it and wrote about it. Stop making games and movies and books with trumped up fictionalized exaggerations that make people angry and divided at the expense of the white male. This crap was long ago in the past and here we are in 2014 and still can't seem to let it go. And why is that? Because hate breeds hate and this is going to be an issue until blacks subject whites or women subject men to even crueler mistreatment in the future. It just goes around and around and it could all stop if we'd just stop focusing on it and stop bringing up the past. The reason history repeats itself is because people focus on history and use it as a means to spread hatred. And it's so dumb because none of us lived during those times and yet everyone is indoctrinated into this idea they need to get payback for their ancestors.

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[💋SayonaraBaby☠]

If its about actual leading i say yes, Adewale is pretty straight forward. Edward is more like the risky dude especially at the beginning very egoistic and probably not caring much of his crew. Adewale is not like the rush in dude and deals more strategically with things. You can also get this by his comments when you play the main game or even later in rogue.

Both characters have quite some backstory which is not all given in the game but actually some sideinfos i discovered on forums.

However i had quite a few laughs with Edward i couldnt really get with Adewale. If its about leading i bet on Adewale but if its about which character is like the better protagonist i must they they are both quite good and cannot say that either of them is better or one is worse.
I actually tend to say i like Shay because he is the character i believe dispises killing the most.

[Atom.Little]

theamericanalucard původně napsal:

IMO, this is how i rank the AC characters 1.Alatair 2. Connor 3.Adewale 4.Ezio 5. Aveline 6. Edward 7. Assasin Desmond 8.Desmond. What about you guys?

Desmond.
Well Desmond was/is not a lead character in any sense of the word. I'm trying to get Freedom Cry activated (but can't find the Activation Code, and the CD Key that's on the launch window isn't being recognized) so I haven't played Adewale's character yet. But from what I've seen in videos and trailers, he seems like someone who could be a great leader of a large group of people with a cause.

Edward.
Well, he's a strong character but a loner who has specialized in piracy which he obviously excels at, so he's a good leader in that he's a great captain and leader of a not too large group of men who aren't easily led (as pirates and un-authoritarian people rarely are - at least not while being useful as members of a group of outlaws, anyway).

Altair.
He was in action during the Desmond period, and though he's a much stronger character than Desmond was, I don't see him as a top boss of any movement, but I can easily imagine him as second in command to the top leader, but unlike the top leader Altair will thrive by being active in the field where a top leader mostly needs to remain at head quarters and generally heavily guarded so all his mental capacity is free to be used for transactions, negotiations, scheeming, leading meetings, planning, taken lods of intel gathered by his men in the field, and devicing orders and changes of plans as changes occur in the moment during the undertaking of other plans and scheemings, etc. He needs to be fluently afluent, if you get my meaning, which Altair obviously was not but on the contrary presented particlular difficulties with,

Ezio.
Ezio proved that he could take the position as leader of a family, an area of land, and of leading the progress of the people living under his leadership and furthering the wealth of his home, his territory and family, and the traditions and wellbeing of all this which was his greatest love, along with women. He did not have any wish to meddle in big time politics or try to take over larger areas or, eventually, Itality as a whole, so in that sense he was not the choice I would make for someone to become THE great leader, neither in the game world of Assassin's Creed nor in what we know as Real Life.

Aveline.
I haven't completed this game, but I imagine she would be a good leader for a freedom movement and function as one with extra helpful contacts. She could, if the game had been part of our real historical past, have been one of the characters who played a main role in ending slavery in one or several parts of the world as it was in her time.
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So until I know more about Adewale, I'd make this verdict: Altair, if he was given the necessary time and extra, extensive and intensive training, would probably be the best choice for the optimal best leader out of the possibilities presented in your question.