Best Mystic weapons?

[laslax]

Aka: Nethercrypt Bauble vs Colossus Tone vs Flamepetal Staff vs Coldgeist Frostcaller.

Colossus Tone does 4 hits, but Coldgeist Frostcaller was nerfed to basically deal no damage after the first 4 hits (this "damage counter" is for both infinite piercing bells, and also counts all enemies hit as a means to reduce its damage for the attack as a whole; reducing the damage even if the attack hits an entirely new enemy.) Considering this, Bells are always best against single targets.

Nethercrypt Bauble does more single target than Colossus Tone (Scepter charged attack + Fluxbolt cast), but Colossus Tone doesn't rely on a swarm of enemies to be effective (with its primary attack). Also, Nethercrypt Bauble doesn't lower its damage no matter how many enemies it pierces unlike Bell or Flamepetal Staff.

Flamepetal Staff vs Bells is tricky. Constant attacking with Bell will probably outperform Flamepetals staff; especially if that enemy is a boss (reduced DOT effects). Not including any DOTs, Flamepetal Staff will do about the same damage as (infinite pierce) Bells if you're casting Fluxbolt in-between attacks (not using the charged attack). Considering their damage is equal for Fluxbolt (ignoring the DOT) why wouldn't you take an extra free 150 DOT damage? I suppose Bells do have the range and AOE.

Considering Fluxbolt cast: Flamepetal Staff (charged attack) > Coldgeist Frostcaller (charged attack) > Flamepetal Staff (uncharged with full DOT) > Nethercrypt Bauble (charged attack) > Colossus Tone (charged attack if you triple hit) > Colossus Tone > Coldgeist Frostcaller

What do you think?

Edit: DOT on bosses can be refreshed to tick faster. This means Flamepetal Staff is potentially your best boss DPS. Also, Mithril Bell is good. Potentially better than Coldgeist Frostcaller and Colossus Tone.

[Lesserred]

Originally posted by laslax:

Aka: Nethercrypt Bauble vs Colossus Tone vs Flamepetal Staff vs Coldgeist Frostcaller.

Colossus Tone does 4 hits, but Coldgeist Frostcaller was nerfed to basically deal no damage after the first 4 hits (this "damage counter" is for both infinite piercing bells, and also counts all enemies hit as a means to reduce its damage for the attack as a whole; reducing the damage even if the attack hits an entirely new enemy.) Considering this, Bells are always best against single targets.

Nethercrypt Bauble does more single target than Colossus Tone (Scepter charged attack + Fluxbolt cast), but Colossus Tone doesn't rely on a swarm of enemies to be effective (with its primary attack). Also, Nethercrypt Bauble doesn't lower its damage no matter how many enemies it pierces unlike Bell or Flamepetal Staff.

Flamepetal Staff vs Bells is tricky. Constant attacking with Bell will probably outperform Flamepetals staff; especially if that enemy is a boss (reduced DOT effects). Not including any DOTs, Flamepetal Staff will do about the same damage as (infinite pierce) Bells if you're casting Fluxbolt in-between attacks. Considering their damage is equal for Fluxbolt (ignoring the DOT) why wouldn't you take an extra free 150 DOT damage? I suppose Bells do have the range and AOE.

Considering Fluxbolt cast: Flamepetal Staff (charged attack) > Flamepetal Staff (uncharged vs non bosses) > Nethercrypt Bauble (charged attack) > Colossus Tone > Coldgeist Frostcaller

What do you think? Is Coldgeist Frostcaller dead? (good riddance)

It's more of a preference thing now, Coldgeist still does GOOD damage, just not INSANE damage. It's effective at longer ranges too, with a more narrow radius. Plus Coldgeists charge attack is actually good now, and not busted given the animation timing of it. I'd say coldgeist is still a better option if you can corral enemies pretty good, but tones shotgun will outperform it in situations where you can't position well and just need to spray and pray. On the subject of scepters, I think wizboars would actually outdps nethercrypt with the charged attack, but the range difference makes up for that, Aquapetal staff is about on par with Wizboar(and if not for the burn dot being so good I'd put flamepetal about equal too at least for regular attacks). As it stands Flamepetal is top dog of the scepters, because of the burn damage, otherwise i think they're all pretty neck and neck and just a trade range for damage situation.

[Dakota]

I went from coldgeist to running colossus and flamepetal, I swap between them with flamepetal being a bit better for single target with its DoT going and the colossus tone being better for if I'm kiting or fighting a group. I used to not use fluxbolt but after the changes I've been running fluxbolt as my primary damage output and maybe a colossus tone inbetween to chip things down so that one or two bolts takes them out.

You should also consider the charge attacks on bells now. Before there was no reason to bother with them since the basic attack did infinite high damage ticks to whatever around it, but now you can use the charge attacks (which frost caller's seems to be a bit stronger than before) and have it deal damage in a wider area without dropping off after a certain number of hits. It's sorta on par with fluxbolt but lower mana cost and wider AoE. Also got big rocks on the colossus tone for some big AoE chips.

[laslax]

Originally posted by Lesserred:

On the subject of scepters, I think wizboars would actually outdps nethercrypt with the charged attack, but the range difference makes up for that, Aquapetal staff is about on par with Wizboar(and if not for the burn dot being so good I'd put flamepetal about equal too at least for regular attacks). As it stands Flamepetal is top dog of the scepters, because of the burn damage, otherwise i think they're all pretty neck and neck and just a trade range for damage situation.

Bro. Wizwand does like half the damage Flamepetal and Aquapetal do. Flamepetal and Nethercrypt's charged attacks are way better than Wizwand/Aquapetal too (Flamepetal/Nethercrypt do similar damage). Yes I just tested it, and yes Wizwand and Aquapetal get the same infinite pierce damage decay as the Bells. Personally I think those charged attacks need a buff.

[Lesserred]

Originally posted by laslax:

Originally posted by Lesserred:

On the subject of scepters, I think wizboars would actually outdps nethercrypt with the charged attack, but the range difference makes up for that, Aquapetal staff is about on par with Wizboar(and if not for the burn dot being so good I'd put flamepetal about equal too at least for regular attacks). As it stands Flamepetal is top dog of the scepters, because of the burn damage, otherwise i think they're all pretty neck and neck and just a trade range for damage situation.

Bro. Wizwand does like half the damage Flamepetal and Aquapetal do. Flamepetal and Nethercrypt's charged attacks are way better than Wizwand/Aquapetal too (Flamepetal/Nethercrypt do similar damage). Yes I just tested it, and yes Wizwand and Aquapetal get the same infinite pierce damage decay as the Bells. Personally I think those charged attacks need a buff.

Huh you're right about the pierce thing, I guess I missed that in my tests. Yeah that makes them significantly less impactful that I initially thought. But i am gonna say that's an overshot on wizboar, it's pretty even per shot with aquapetal, it just does more ticks(on the charged attack).

[Intra]

Originally posted by Lesserred:

Coldgeist still does GOOD damage, just not INSANE

HAHAHAHAHA Oh man

So the answer is, no you should not use any bells but Colossal Tone, and really just shouldn't use bells at all. *Edit: Mythril just isn't worth it now

My current setup for Mystic is:

Golemfist Katar
Serrated Bow

Serrated Bow still isn't great, but it's still better than trying to kill stragglers with jumping attacks with Swords, so it's an option to combine with Fluxbolt.

This is probably the new meta comp for all classes outside Fighter, who might go Golemfist Katar + Sword just to keep Shield Bash and lose some dps jump attacking.

If Sword hits for like 3.2 times per second auto attacking, averages 50 a hit non crit, we can call that 160 dps (this is max with Imbue)

Colossus Tone with bell cancel is 50>40>30>20 on average, for like 140 damage. Bell cancel gets us to like 0.8 seconds per swing. So like 175 DPS not including the bleed and the time it takes for the effect to land.

Both of these seem better than Rage spear, which hits about 3.33 times a second, 40 damage per hit, but has more range and some bleed.

Due to frame inconsistency / ping, Serrated Bow is about 2.5-3.5 shots per second, and can go higher and lower. Average of like 46 a shot. Does have 1 pierce for 50% damage (reduced by defense). So with a good system / good ping, it could be 140+ DPS ranged not including the pierce.

If they add more mobs back in, Colossus Tone is probably going to make a comeback.

Charged attacks with Coldgeist and Mythril Bells might have some niche uses for their larger AOEs.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

What I'd like to know is where to find these Mystic Weapons everyone is always talking about and what their drop rate is, because I haven't found any of them besides the Flamepetal Staff.

[laslax]

Originally posted by Blk_Mage_Ctype:

What I'd like to know is where to find these Mystic Weapons everyone is always talking about and what their drop rate is, because I haven't found any of them besides the Flamepetal Staff.

Use the Wiki...
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/ATLYSS_Wiki
Anyways, Colossus Tone (Colossus from Crescent Grove), Coldgeist Frostcaller (Lord Kaluuz from Sanctum Catacombs 12 - 18), Flamepetal Staff (Red Minchroom and Chest), Nethercrypt Bauble (Hellsludge and Chest), Aquapetal Staff (Blue Minchroom and Chest).

[Intra]

You can substitute most melee weapons with the Serrated commons from Grove.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Originally posted by laslax:

Originally posted by Blk_Mage_Ctype:

What I'd like to know is where to find these Mystic Weapons everyone is always talking about and what their drop rate is, because I haven't found any of them besides the Flamepetal Staff.

Use the Wiki...
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/ATLYSS_Wiki
Anyways, Colossus Tone (Colossus from Crescent Grove), Coldgeist Frostcaller (Lord Kaluuz from Sanctum Catacombs 12 - 18), Flamepetal Staff (Red Minchroom and Chest), Nethercrypt Bauble (Hellsludge and Chest), Aquapetal Staff (Blue Minchroom and Chest).

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Intra:

Originally posted by Lesserred:

Coldgeist still does GOOD damage, just not INSANE

HAHAHAHAHA Oh man

So the answer is, no you should not use any bells but Colossal Tone, and really just shouldn't use bells at all. *Edit: Mythril just isn't worth it now

My current setup for Mystic is:

Golemfist Katar
Serrated Bow

Serrated Bow still isn't great, but it's still better than trying to kill stragglers with jumping attacks with Swords, so it's an option to combine with Fluxbolt.

This is probably the new meta comp for all classes outside Fighter, who might go Golemfist Katar + Sword just to keep Shield Bash and lose some dps jump attacking.

If Sword hits for like 3.2 times per second auto attacking, averages 50 a hit non crit, we can call that 160 dps (this is max with Imbue)

Colossus Tone with bell cancel is 50>40>30>20 on average, for like 140 damage. Bell cancel gets us to like 0.8 seconds per swing. So like 175 DPS not including the bleed and the time it takes for the effect to land.

Both of these seem better than Rage spear, which hits about 3.33 times a second, 40 damage per hit, but has more range and some bleed.

Due to frame inconsistency / ping, Serrated Bow is about 2.5-3.5 shots per second, and can go higher and lower. Average of like 46 a shot. Does have 1 pierce for 50% damage (reduced by defense). So with a good system / good ping, it could be 140+ DPS ranged not including the pierce.

If they add more mobs back in, Colossus Tone is probably going to make a comeback.

Charged attacks with Coldgeist and Mythril Bells might have some niche uses for their larger AOEs.

Have you noticed the buffs to the heavy weapons? They cut through defenses super hard now, i hit players with all their defenses for over 130 damage. Been running it on bandit so I crit 30% of the time with it for over 300 damage sometimes. Also the jump attack damage on it is kinda nutty right now. Actually tried it out both on a mystic and a bandit with the scaling swapped over to good effect.

[Intra]

Originally posted by Dakota:

Have you noticed the buffs to the heavy weapons? They cut through defenses super hard now, i hit players with all their defenses for over 130 damage. Been running it on bandit so I crit 30% of the time with it for over 300 damage sometimes. Also the jump attack damage on it is kinda nutty right now. Actually tried it out both on a mystic and a bandit with the scaling swapped over to good effect.

Those jump attacks do seem pretty solid.

[GelexyBrian]

I was kiting a lot as a Mystic, and Flamepetal quickly became my favourite weapon.

Eventually, you will run out of mana when spamming spells, so what i did is pop the stun ability, then autoattack a bit with Flamepetal while my mana goes back to full.

[laslax]

Okay, Mithril (default) Bell seems better than Colossus Tone and Coldgeist Frostcaller. Yeah Coldgeist has superior boss damage (something Flamepetal probably just outperforms it in anyways), and Colossus Tone is better for AOE (probably just better to rely on Skills), but I feel like they serve no purpose with Flamepetal Staff. Mithril Bell actually does something with its knockback, and it cant be jumped over like Colossus Tone. You can even perma stall/knockback melee enemies; something Colossus Tone spends mana to even achieve.

Note: Mithril Bell can hit an additional enemy with its explosion before damage decay starts to kick in. This means you can hit at least 5 times before doing no damage. It also deals similar (if not more + more consistent) damage to a single standard enemy compared to boss Bells.

Right now, I think Flamepetal Staff and Mithril Bell is the best IMO. Also merry Christmas.