Bandit Is Outclassed.

[Dergeh]

Fighter, Mystic Can do way more damage, despite the crits, in parties Bandit fails to be of worth except for a crit buff for the other two, prove me wrong.

[Smug Kot]

In a scenario where you have all the 3 party buffs, the only one who get most of it, is mystic, because no other job get use of the extra magic damage.

[Atomic Kid]

Originally posted by blankitosonic:

So , a " bruiser " build ( hp + 2 handed/spear user ) is better in a bandit build than a fighter ?

Well if you convert the spear to dex and just spam attack, or jump atk, while using killer jab and pay day as bandit along with maxed devious signet, you will output more damage then a fighter for sure. Fighter's claim to fame is their superior parry which is a lot better then bandits and it even bounces the damage back. Other then stomp I find fighter's skillset to just not be as good as bandits. Even the bleed move isnt really that good, and fighters stun's range is terrible.

Somehow I find bandit with heavy weapons or a bell just outputs better damage if the bandit is attacking with the weapon with mixing in its moveset like bomb trap, killer blow, and pay day. Mystics endgame is mostly spamming fluxbolt and divine (the two best spells in the game) with maybe either cross or nova to knockback enemies so you can continue kiting.

While fighter mostly plays the same as bandit using the same weapon, but mixing in stomp for defense down, maybe the bleed move. The weapon throw makes it impossible to attack while the weapon is spinning in front, the dash (with 100% evasion) i dont find to be a good move, and shield bash range pales in comparasion to killer jab range it misses very often. Figther over bandit has more hp, defense, and a better parry (since parrying is so important though, that means fighter is the easiest at learning the game but other 2 classes can parry too) Fighter as well is punished less if they mess up the parry timing too with bulwark thanks to lower stamina drain if they block instead of parry.

bandit in a solo setting will have a 30% to crit with good gear and decent dex dump and weapon converted to dex. Fighter with all killer mods will only reach about 8%. Crits almost double your damage, thanks to the gearing and devious signet, I notice that bandit's stamina is good enough to charge attack couple times if you love doing that and the jump attack with spears or heavy weapons do a lot of crits. If you use a bell with bandit, they prob wont have enough mp to spam the charged atk but just reg attack on the colluses bell converted to dex does a lot of hits and at lesat 1/3 of them will be crits (i remember when collusus bell was busted that the bandit was the best user of it) mystics would rather spam fluxbolt then waste time attacking.

[Strid]

Originally posted by Smug Kot:

In a scenario where you have all the 3 party buffs, the only one who get most of it, is mystic, because no other job get use of the extra magic damage.

As a person that carries Divine on both Fighter and Bandit, I disagree. I'd never run Fighter without Divine and I'd never pump stats, as a Fighter, into Mind, so the Mystic buff is cool.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Strid:

Originally posted by Smug Kot:

In a scenario where you have all the 3 party buffs, the only one who get most of it, is mystic, because no other job get use of the extra magic damage.

As a person that carries Divine on both Fighter and Bandit, I disagree. I'd never run Fighter without Divine and I'd never pump stats, as a Fighter, into Mind, so the Mystic buff is cool.

Why not be a mind+vit fighter? Maxed bulwark makes the block strong enough that you don't need stamina, and now you can have extra strong divine, access to other spells, and wand+shield is particularly good with flame petal. Also can still run melee weapons tuned to mind.

[Daku]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RolS4Xi0sXM

Finally got around to recording a grove run with bow bandit to kinda show how I play around Volley/Bomb/Spread Shot and just bow bandit in general. not my most amazing run but it kinda shows how I generally brute force Volley to function in general crowd combat.

[DustyOlives]

You'd be surprised! Bandit's charge attack does great numbers.
But the part that I'm enjoying is having poison arrow and killer jab stacking double defense downs.

[Sharky Frisky]

ngl I prefer Bandit having more Evasion and Critical Chance than the other 2 classes

[Hydra Mind]

Devious Signet making it easy to raise stamina, but then only half of class skills use stamina. The 50/50 split between having mana or stamina skills is definitely an odd choice. I personally hope for a few ranged skills that use a bit of stamina in the future.

[Daku]

I had more of the thoguht that Kissef could just add max Mana to bandit line armor instead, just having Manafont Enchant on any Lv 17 piece of equip, which is roughly around +17 Max Mana alone.

Makes Bow Bandit go from feeling hella rough to very smooth in it's rotations.

[NA/UL]

to be fair when i first started using bandit i had the same opinion, but after playing around more with bandit and going with the full katars build, bandit is surprisingly strong in soloing dungeons.

Bandit is the fastest class to reach endgame power because you can have excess skill points if you go for the katars build.

The combo of Killer Jab->Payday->Charge attack katars can melt enemies with ease and you can disengage quickly by placing a bomb for extra damage and mist veil.

and i recommend going all in on dex and get lively enhancement for your armor so you can survive 1 shot.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by NA/UL:

and i recommend going all in on dex and get lively enhancement for your armor so you can survive 1 shot.

Drop some dex for vitality then get precision on your gear, this gives you overall more health/dex and bonus crit chance ontop.

[carrion_cat]

I literately thoght i was in a time loop. this is the second time i saw this topic, okay:

its on par with everything, actually its the best you are not playing it well and that's okay! other ppl make it work that means you can too! so just, life advice, don't ask for it to be made easier, get your head into how to fix it instead! (positivist for a change)

[Hydra Mind]

Originally posted by Dakota:

Originally posted by NA/UL:

and i recommend going all in on dex and get lively enhancement for your armor so you can survive 1 shot.

Drop some dex for vitality then get precision on your gear, this gives you overall more health/dex and bonus crit chance ontop.

It is very odd how enchantments for bonus health are just outright outclassed by investing a few skill points into vitality. Considering I can enchant a ring to get either +15 hp or +7 dex power & +0.9% crit, choosing to use 7 skill points between +21 hp or +7 dex power & +0.21% crit becomes a pretty obvious choice.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Hydra Mind:

Originally posted by Dakota:

Drop some dex for vitality then get precision on your gear, this gives you overall more health/dex and bonus crit chance ontop.

It is very odd how enchantments for bonus health are just outright outclassed by investing a few skill points into vitality. Considering I can enchant a ring to get either +15 hp or +7 dex power & +0.9% crit, choosing to use 7 skill points between +21 hp or +7 dex power & +0.21% crit becomes a pretty obvious choice.

Yeah, the vitality returns are insane compared to any of the attack options with skill points, especially too if we look at the damage bonus we get vs the health bonus we get, I think it was something like if I spent all my points on damage I'd have about 80% more damage while if I spent it all on vitality my health would be well over 300.

Perhaps the defense value added to lively is being counted rather heavily on the enchantment, though given it provides no magical defense, and damage over times go through defenses anyway, better to just have raw health.

[Exar_mesh]

Bandit Katars have the highest dps in the game. In mid-game, they do suffer from a lack of drop rates for katars and bows, but otherwise they are solid and fun. Devious Signet is also arguably an incredible buff skill that can raise your damage to ridiculous numbers. I find that charged attack katars and jump mastery heavy weapons are the best for high DPS bandits.