Does this still have the horrible GUI from Fritz 13?

[RonjaLin]

If yes, no buy.

[kewlbns69]

the reviews show up on the store page u just have to not be lazy and scroll a bit to see them :D

[matthew]

I think once the issue with the 64bit version is fixed, then at least the top review will be out of date, in part it already is) and the second one has an update under it,

I will write a review in the very near future myself

[kewlbns69]

yeah see i don't even get the point i mean you're not even getting a multi core version of the engin anyhow so why does it matter? the only advantage i can think of is larger hashes beyond 4gb but tbh i think a hash table that big is kinda pointless lol

also i wonder how many steam users are even gonna mess with that stuff

[matthew]

you know you are right, I just found this

http://www.chessbaseusa.com/portals/6/tn/Issues_Back/2002_winter/2002_0224.htm

explains the hashtables and how large to set it, and larger isn't always better, I wonder if this is why the game frezzes a lot per move, as its using too much ram that the CPU can't crunch that amount of data at once, I think it must be,

going to do a bit of calclations and see what ram the should be, (when using stockfish)

so yeah, 64bit hashtables might not be everything,, especailly if you don't have a good CPU either,

[kewlbns69]

in the simplest terms a hash table is information on moves that your engine stores IN MEMORY so the higher you set it the more memory it uses i.e 512mb hash table your engine is going to use 512mb of memory...and that's on top of whatever your other applications(including fritz gui) are using, i have mine set to what i think is pretty high but it's not over kill and if i set it higher my pc would crash cuz i'm only running on 4gb total anyway lol...

nice link +1 for that unfortunately the images oare from an older version of fritz and may confuse some but stil good info :D

[matthew]

yeah an outdated article but still the info proves useful

but for setting this in fritz14 please do the following,

click on the engine tab
click the large change main engine,
select the engine from the list then click advance,
you will be able to set the hashtable there, if you follow the guidlines the article I posted, you can set the hashtable to a rate that won't bring your system to a crawl,

I also suspect but not tested yet, this might explain why the system freezes per move, as the hashtable is set too high, I knocked it down a bit also, even for the 32bit version of friz, also for those with lower amounts of ram, and on 32bit systems, if the hashtable is say set to 2gig, that will use a lot of ram and could also explain why it does crash for some people,

so yeah, having a 64bit bit fritz version is seems pointless, and if this is the only difference between the 32bit version and 64bit version, then I don't think this matter needs to be dealt with, especailly, but probably it should as until this is fixed, the program will continue to get flak,

[kewlbns69]

default hash table is set at 512mb for all engines...pretty meager by todays standards but it also depends on available memory if you've only got 4GB(like me) and your computer is using 3 of that 4 with other applications running then it's definitely going to cause problems. especially if you run engine tournaments like i do you'll max out and crash :/

[kewlbns69]

引用自 RockOn：

引用自 kewlbns69：

yeah see i don't even get the point i mean you're not even getting a multi core version of the engin

The 64bit engine is multicore, so when that is fixed you will get multicore, the 64bit engine is not made in singlecore, that stopped at Fritz 13.

that's what i thought to but according to the viva media rep we're only getting single core (hence the discounted price)

deep fritz costs 60 bucks

[kewlbns69]

if they are i really can't figure how they'd be able to sell it for cheaper...thats generally how viva has been able to get away with a discount is that they've always sold fritz with a "gimped" engine...i can't see how friedel would let this pass

[matthew]

well there always been two versions of fritz in the past, both single and multi core, and the multi core always been a lot more expensive, so to me, if the steam version is single core, and it seems that the 32bit engine is single core, the 64bit version won't change that, but only how much ram it can access,

they also never stated if the fritz version on steam is either single or multi,

but from what I have read, same with the hashtables, having more cores isn't always better, there will always be deminishing returns, especailly if you have a hyperthreading CPU, giving the cpu more cores won't mmake it compute any faster then say 4, and you only probably will need the multi core version if you are a very strong chess player, otherwise, if you are low and medium grade you not going to notce any real difference. that is what I read up between fritz 13 standard and deep.

to me, selling a standard vereion of fritz 14 makes sense, its cheaper, and on steam will get a lot of appeal, but if you are a strong player, then sure, get the multi core version, or better yet, use another engine, and there is plenty of choices, I mean, really, even if they is a single core version, look at Houdin, several versions of that, and the pro version been able to use more cores then the standard version, and you pay more for it, but you can look at other engines too,

so having a multi core engine isn't going to really interest the average joe, unless they are strong enough to play against it

[kewlbns69]

yes they did i just can't remember where i read it...somewhere on this forum it was mentioned tho single core only.

i disagree multicore engines always perform better than single core engines but everything else you've said i can get on with

[matthew]

its only what I read, I can't really turn it into fact, as I'm not that strong anyway, but it might also depend on the engine itself, some are better then others, the Houdini is suppose to be one of the best high ranking ones, along with stockfish,

still, you might or might not notice in engine VS engine matches, I really dont know, not really kept up to date with engines and their research, just going by what I read, not by my own exprience

[kewlbns69]

i'm not either but i've done the tests...32bit engines NEVER beat 64bit engines because they just aren't capable of accessing the same processing powre as the 64bit variants but it's mostly kinda pointless nerdyness....big blue is old news and very few human players can really compete with the top engines

[matthew]

ahh right, interesting, so getting the 64bit version fixed is a good idea then, but stil, it doesn't have to be multi core mind, I suspose one reason for having a muli core version is for analyses? even then not even sure on that, or if it would make a tonne of diference?

@IRockOn
agreed with that, as its suppose to be one of the best engines going, but again probably better for analyses rather then playing against,

[kewlbns69]

引用自 RockOn：

Offtopic.

I can recomend Stockfish[stockfishchess.org] with that you will get 64bit and 8cores ;)

stockfish is insanely awesome! i can't believe it's beating rybka and houdini! considering how much of an unstable POS it was 6 months ago lol

oh and also because it's free :D