Season 2 ruined the game

[Jason Bourne]

I get its fun and exciting releasing new characters into the game but can we atleast try to balance them? Emma Frost is a joke... everyone plays it and every game is boring asf, can't do anything with that BS character running around, interrupts every single ult with a choke slam and kick = instant kill to most DPS.. Game is ruined, atleast we got 1 season in.

[XJ9]

Emma is not mobile. Do not go melee of her and if you do, avoid her ASAP. Her diamond form is used to peel divers or punish tanks who stayed for too long.

And despite people saying "strange is bad", strange is actually REALLY good against emma frost, due to his shield blocking her ult.

[Shamalamadingdang]

Originally posted by XJ9:

Emma is not mobile. Do not go melee of her and if you do, avoid her ASAP. Her diamond form is used to peel divers or punish tanks who stayed for too long.

And despite people saying "strange is bad", strange is actually REALLY good against emma frost, due to his shield blocking her ult.

People keep saying this. What divers are you supposed to peel with Emma? Spiderman is in and out too fast. Good luck tracking an Adderall snorting Black Panther main well enough to hit your choke slam on him. Who else? Psylocke? Psylocke hits your back line from a distance and then disappears. Starlord does the same but he just flies away.

What divers are ya'll shutting down with Emma? Namor and Scarlet Witch are the only true anti-dives in the game.

[XJ9]

Originally posted by Shamalamadingdang:

Originally posted by XJ9:

Emma is not mobile. Do not go melee of her and if you do, avoid her ASAP. Her diamond form is used to peel divers or punish tanks who stayed for too long.

And despite people saying "strange is bad", strange is actually REALLY good against emma frost, due to his shield blocking her ult.

People keep saying this. What divers are you supposed to peel with Emma? Spiderman is in and out too fast. Good luck tracking an Adderall snorting Black Panther main well enough to hit your choke slam on him. Who else? Psylocke? Psylocke hits your back line from a distance and then disappears. Starlord does the same but he just flies away.

What divers are ya'll shutting down with Emma? Namor and Scarlet Witch are the only true anti-dives in the game.

You did a good job listing all the hyper mobile characters. Psylock is an interesting case, as if you notice them coming in, you can potentially cancel their ult with your grab. Same thing with spiderman though, you can cancel his ult quite easily with your grab.

Thor, Venom, Magik. All pretty common picks too. Emma is also pretty good against spider man, due to hitscan. He has to get in close to do anything, so emma can just beam him down.

[Shamalamadingdang]

Originally posted by XJ9:

Originally posted by Shamalamadingdang:

People keep saying this. What divers are you supposed to peel with Emma? Spiderman is in and out too fast. Good luck tracking an Adderall snorting Black Panther main well enough to hit your choke slam on him. Who else? Psylocke? Psylocke hits your back line from a distance and then disappears. Starlord does the same but he just flies away.

What divers are ya'll shutting down with Emma? Namor and Scarlet Witch are the only true anti-dives in the game.

You did a good job listing all the hyper mobile characters. Psylock is an interesting case, as if you notice them coming in, you can potentially cancel their ult with your grab. Same thing with spiderman though, you can cancel his ult quite easily with your grab.

Thor, Venom, Magik. All pretty common picks too.

I main Invis Woman. I think I can speak for most healers when I say the hyper mobile characters are the ones we need actual counters for. With my push ability, Venom is literally nothing to me. And any good Psy or Spidey is going to pounce on the backline, ult on the healers, and disappear. Emma would literally need to hover over the healers all game to have a chance to stop that which means you now have a tank that can't get up front and...you know...tank.

[Terotrous]

I'm surprised to see all the people complaining about Emma because I've never found her to be a big threat. I figure these people must play specific characters that she counters like Scarlet Witch (Emma can easily grab her out of her ult).

Emma is fairly bad against backline DPS since she has no mobility and her shield isn't especially good. I pick her off a bunch on Squirrel Girl, and even my day 1 Hela was getting a fair number of Emma picks.

[Shamalamadingdang]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

I'm surprised to see all the people complaining about Emma because I've never found her to be a big threat. I figure these people must play specific characters that she counters like Scarlet Witch (Emma can easily grab her out of her ult).

Emma is fairly bad against backline DPS since she has no mobility and her shield isn't especially good. I pick her off a bunch on Squirrel Girl, and even my day 1 Hela was getting a fair number of Emma picks.

I'd just give it time. She's every where right now. It'll be like the Thing; after about another week the only people playing her will be the people who actually know how to play her. People are just sick of seeing her right now so all of her flaws are in the spotlight.

[Statix]

Originally posted by Shamalamadingdang:

Originally posted by XJ9:

Emma is not mobile. Do not go melee of her and if you do, avoid her ASAP. Her diamond form is used to peel divers or punish tanks who stayed for too long.

And despite people saying "strange is bad", strange is actually REALLY good against emma frost, due to his shield blocking her ult.

People keep saying this. What divers are you supposed to peel with Emma? Spiderman is in and out too fast. Good luck tracking an Adderall snorting Black Panther main well enough to hit your choke slam on him. Who else? Psylocke? Psylocke hits your back line from a distance and then disappears. Starlord does the same but he just flies away.

What divers are ya'll shutting down with Emma? Namor and Scarlet Witch are the only true anti-dives in the game.

since playing emma, psy and spiderman have been getting choked out :D

[Statix]

Originally posted by Statix:

Originally posted by Shamalamadingdang:

People keep saying this. What divers are you supposed to peel with Emma? Spiderman is in and out too fast. Good luck tracking an Adderall snorting Black Panther main well enough to hit your choke slam on him. Who else? Psylocke? Psylocke hits your back line from a distance and then disappears. Starlord does the same but he just flies away.

What divers are ya'll shutting down with Emma? Namor and Scarlet Witch are the only true anti-dives in the game.

since playing emma, psy and spiderman have been getting choked out :D

oh and i .....think. her shield is very good vs bp cos if you predict his next dash you can screw his javelin up by blocking it and sometimes the bp uses his dash without realising

[Steve]

Originally posted by Shamalamadingdang:

Originally posted by XJ9:

You did a good job listing all the hyper mobile characters. Psylock is an interesting case, as if you notice them coming in, you can potentially cancel their ult with your grab. Same thing with spiderman though, you can cancel his ult quite easily with your grab.

Thor, Venom, Magik. All pretty common picks too.

I main Invis Woman. I think I can speak for most healers when I say the hyper mobile characters are the ones we need actual counters for. With my push ability, Venom is literally nothing to me. And any good Psy or Spidey is going to pounce on the backline, ult on the healers, and disappear. Emma would literally need to hover over the healers all game to have a chance to stop that which means you now have a tank that can't get up front and...you know...tank.

Off-tanks are often the team babysitters. Emma Frost is well-suited for the off-tank role with her versatility.

Emma shines brightest when teamed with a proper main tank like Strange or Magneto. She can fill main tank in a diver comp, but not as well due to the smaller shield and relative lack of ability to lay down cover.

As for the hypermobiles, the best counter is crowd control. Emma has a little of that, but would do best waiting for the divers to come to her.

[The Living Darkness]

Mister Fantastic was buffed rather nicely this season and shines if Emma isnt on the enemy team. If she is though, unless the Emma is just plain bad its pretty much a hard counter. Fantastic cannot play into Emma, she grabs him and he is dead, doesnt matter if he is big or not. Fantastic is a menace against healers though. I wouldnt call him dive but he is in that same category of front liners like Thor who may pick off a healer when they get a chance.

So maybe Emma isnt a dive destroyer, but she is absolutely hard to fight as a front liner that isnt specifically a diver.

[NotReallyMyName]

Use any long range dd against emma, she can't do ♥♥♥♥ against flying characters, and I've seen one too many emmas getting dominated by man of iron on somewhat open maps. Punisher deals with her quickly as well, especially in turret form. Not sure about wolverine though, if he can abduct her, then she's likely to die, but without heals, he will die first if he fails to pull her away from enemy healers.

I don't see why anyone would want to go a dive character against a tank though, you're supposed to go after healers instead of tanks, or look to eliminate a dd, not facetank a tank. Not like emma can be around both healers, and if she is, swap to moonknight or something.

Gamma boosted namor on the other hand is unfair. Why the hell his gamma squid deals over double the damage of a regular squid? Ice one wasn't that busted.

[Majestic]

Emma is pretty strong in higher ranked games, Where people actually form teams around her. She especially shines when there is another tank around. But she gets folded pretty quick on her own I've noticed.

Originally posted by Shamalamadingdang:

I main Invis Woman. I think I can speak for most healers when I say the hyper mobile characters are the ones we need actual counters for.

We have hyper mobile counters. But for some reason the community at large is allergic to Namor, Hulk, Scarlet and Bucky. Not to mention Loki or Mantis. Also, Unironically. IronFist is really good at watching the backline and chasing down flankers if you dedicate him to babysitting the healers, Namely because He sucks against targets getting support, But Enemy in your backline is rarely getting heals.