They need to nerf these healers

[Bug Fan]

The healers feel like they are better at fight then the actual fighters and they're protecting the team more than the team is protecting them (also nerf hela)

[LDvergil]

Yeah healing is kinda cURAZy most times in this game but its needed a lot of the time because so many of the cast are LITERALLY CHUCKING ATOMIC BOMBS for left clicks.

[Mochan]

Publicado originalmente por Renée Renard:

I love playing healer I just don't love being left behind to die by teammates which are almost always kill hungry dps that spam ask for heals and complain theres no healing. Even if they get damage and kills its not the high priority targets which matter, happens often when theres a easy mode Hela or hawkeye on the other team, constantly killing our tanks and supports with ease since they are left alone to wreak havoc.

The answer is to flank with your team. If you are staying in the back where nobody is around you're really not doing your job as a support, unless you're a sniper from the back like Loki. If you need to keep up with your flankers use a mobile hero like Jeff, Luna or Mantis. Even if your DPS are all running around diving you can easily keep up with them.

[Mochan]

Publicado originalmente por Jesi:

Publicado originalmente por Volgin:

there is one... in diamond comp (I seriously don't understand these devs)

Maybe if they will add more heroes then lower ranks will get those as well. Currently people barely can play this game and there is only few noob friendly ones. Like Scarlet Witch.

Lower Ranks don't need a ban phase because nobody in lower ranks can use meta heroes to their fullest power.

[forcecomdr]

Publicado originalmente por Codesterz:

Publicado originalmente por Urban Champion:

then the second healer heals them and clowns on you because they all do the dps of a dps character

I had this happen 5+ times in one game last night. Every fricking time I'd get the Shark down to 1 HP then boom full health. The game was absolutely miserable and was just a one sided stomp on us. This is another issue I have with the game, you rarely get even remotely close games. 90% of the time it's a curb stomp for 1 of the teams.

So let me get this straight...

You lost a 2v1... repeatedly, without learning what you did wrong, then came on here and cried that healers need a nerf.

Why do people not realize that just because one person is a healer, it's still a 2v1?
Funny how no one ever seems to complain about losing to two dps, or two tanks.

[gold goblin]

yeah no kidding, its crazy that jeff, hela, luna and mantis can deal more dps than spider-man and iron-man

I've been killed more by solo healers than dps. they need a nerf, too many of them have passive heals and crazy dps

[cha0tic]

Publicado originalmente por Abomination713:

Some of the healing needs toned down. It's not fun when you almost kill someone and out of nowhere they back to full life instantly.

Mantis is annoying, but I feel like she's fine since her heals are over time and not instant. I do feel like they need to slow down how fast she gains charges as she has 4 and you can get 1 back per head shot, but they come back so fast that you don't even need to headshot anyone and you feel like you literally never run out when giving everyone heals and DPS buffs.

Adam, while strong, has limited heals if you push them hard enough since they can only heal twice and it takes 6 seconds to get a charge back. His Soulbond is an amazing ability, but it's on a 30 second cooldown and requires everyone to be near to get the most out of it which good luck on that unless you're in a premade. He's also one of the only healers that can't shoot to heal his team mates and he has zero mobility options which just makes he feel bad to play at times.

Luna is also fine in my book, but her ult lasts way too long (12 seconds while Mantis only lasts 8) and if you spam the switch key she gives heals and DPS increase for the whole duration.

Cloak and Dagger are too strong at the moment. I think Cloak is fine and a neat concept, but Dagger auto locks onto enemies and allies and her daggers heal in an aoe which many might not know. She also has the heal wall which INCREASES the amount she heals on people that get touched by it and this isn't even counting the heal bubble she can throw down which is very strong. Take the auto aim away on Dagger and I think she will less ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to deal with.

Rocket Raccoon is....ok. He's not for everyone and his heals can be hit or miss depending on the situation. His ult is interesting and his ability to revive one person is pretty cool if they actually use it right.

Loki is a pain in the ass to deal with if no one is killing this clones or shooting the crystal above the heal pools he drops. Once people learn to actually shoot those things, he will become a lot more balanced and less ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to fight. I don't understand why people don't kill the clones when they can help Loki DPS and heal as well as giving him a way out of fights if he switches with one of them.

Jeff....♥♥♥♥ Jeff. I hope the nerf hammer comes down on this piece of ♥♥♥♥ so hard that no one will ever want to play him again. Why does he have a constant stream of healing that heals anyone he hits (which seems to have no range limit either from what I've seen in testing). Why is he able to lay done 6 healing orbs that gives speed boots. Why is he able to go underground to heal, get a speedboost, and climb up wall with literally no cooldown on how long you can be underground and no cooldown between uses. Why are his attacks aoe? He has one of the most annoying ults in the game and it can alter the outcome of the match by killing everyone off a cliff.

Once people stop being terrible at the game (looking at you DPS players that only play DPS) than healers will become less of an issue, but Jeff and Dagger need the biggest nerfs to their heals. There's no reason they are so strong.

Hopefully the devs learn fast that they need to balance this game if they want it to stay alive. I doubt they will learn as I told them some changes to make 5 months ago in the beta and none of them happened and now people are pointing out the same issues that I said needed changed.

The first sentence only. That's literally the point of healers in any game. Skill issue.

[Borko]

And yet the worst of them by far is Rocket, who does tiny tickle damage in comparison.
Big gatling gun does the equivalent of slapping someone with a wet paper towel, but then Mantis hits you in the head with a ball of leaves and you lose 40% of your health in one shot.

[Mitrovarr]

I think it's weird that people are calling for nerfs to supports that are, objectively not the best supports.

I mean, Jeff's ult is cancer to play into. Fine. I think it needs to be dramatically weakened or changed, but he'll need something to not be bad after that. Maybe heal over time on the stream or something.

But nerfing other supports and not Mantis? Everyone will just play Mantis all the time forever.

[Borko]

Mantis and Luna need their ults to not be "nobody dies in here unless you oneshot them somehow"

[Naterade]

Mantis is the single most OP character ive ever seen in a competitive game.

[Akasha]

Healers are actually weak, what you are losing to is strong teamwork and or lack of aim. For example Mantis is one of the weakest healers on a dive because of her weak self healing but buffs and self buffs makes he a threat if the player is skilled, throw in the AoE sleep to counter ults and buy time during a dive she has a great package as a co healer and buffer.

An example of strong healing would be luna on a cooldown, but again she's horrible against dives because of self healing but has CC to stall/secure the attacker and adam with his chain heal being his only heals but they are huge and he has a damage share which makes him and the team tanky for anti dive and pressure both are really strong but charge/cooldown dependant. Loki's is really awesome but long cooldown and only way to self heal that can also be destroyed. So what you are seeing here is healers need each other to cover their weaknesses, healers who actually heal each other make supporting the team trivial but while healers like to blame tanks and dps they need to pay attention to their partner in supporting crime.

Oh and before I forget, cloak and dagger are POWERFUL, burst HPs and sustain HPs and a way to avoid jeff of all things.

[caleb]

Publicado originalmente por Borko:

Mantis and Luna need their ults to not be "nobody dies in here unless you oneshot them somehow"

thank god we have someone with a brain in this discussion and not coping for their own biased role. has anyone here seen the video of 3 punishers ulting and unable to kill a cloak and dagger standing in her ult?

[MAKO]

I honestly think it's just cloak and dagger. Her heals are busted. Nothing sucks more than an escort mission you get stone walled in because Cloak and Dagger just sits on the escort dumping bubbles and her walls constantly which prevents any kind of real push unless you have team wipe ults at the ready.

[Akasha]

Publicado originalmente por MAKO:

I honestly think it's just cloak and dagger. Her heals are busted. Nothing sucks more than an escort mission you get stone walled in because Cloak and Dagger just sits on the escort dumping bubbles and her walls constantly which prevents any kind of real push unless you have team wipe ults at the ready.

Go to the marvel page or whatever hero skill page that gives you numbers and look how much dagger bubble heals. Your overall damage and accuracy is poor if your team can't remove her from the point just because of the bubble.

[Electricbluebee]

Best solution - remove any healing from characters and leave only health packs.

I am tired of the baseless accusations of not healing.
I am tired of someone having a go at me for not healing when i was next to them... and they don't even consider it could be a Loki clone.

I'd be happy just to keep the tricks, reduced DPS lose the healing.

Then people can return to hating on the vanguards/ tanks.

Never ever will it be the DPS at fault. And even then i won't blame DPS.

Remove stats, remove healing and just get immersed into the fight.