Why Are There Two "You Basically Can't Kill Anyone Within the Radius" Ults?

[Borko]

Mantis' ult provides massive healing and bonus health in the radius, so everyone inside is basically unkillable unless you hit them with something like Iron Man's ult, and Hawkeye probably can't do anything because of the bonus health.

Luna Snow's ult is healing so absolutely colossal that anyone within the radius becomes basically immortal except for oneshots, and it lasts SO LONG.

I'm getting so tired of these ults being "push for free" ults. Any time Luna Snow activates her ult everyone just has to leave because there's no way we're killing anyone in there unless someone is cracked on Hawkeye or someone has a oneshot ult ready to counter it.

It reminds me of Zen's Transcendence and Lucio's Sound Barrier, where everyone inside Zen's ult becomes immortal unless they are oneshot, and everyone inside Lucio's ult can't even be oneshot for a while after it's used, and it's really just best to run away and give up the space when they go in with those.

Except in Overwatch there's anti-heal to get around Zen's ult.
There's no anti-heal in Rivals, so everyone has to just run away or die when Mantis or Luna Snow use their ults.
Every time I see either of them use it, my entire team has to pull back or we all just die to their nearly unkillable teammates.

And Luna and Mantis get their's so frequently. I've fought against teams where their Luna had it every single fight. Literally every fight, so we could never really do anything.

[Chaosolous]

Wait till you find out about Loki's damage to healing not ult.

[Borko]

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

Wait till you find out about Loki's damage to healing not ult.

Forgot about Loki. His shift is nuts.

[Dylan]

i don't even mind there being a zen ult with no ana. I just think it's really uncreative to have mantis and lunas ults be essentially the same thing.

[Borko]

It's infuriating. Every time either of them do their ult I just back off. There's no point in even bothering, just leave or you'll die. You have to give up the point and they get it for free.

[Abomination713]

Originally posted by Borko:

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

Wait till you find out about Loki's damage to healing not ult.

Forgot about Loki. His shift is nuts.

You can shoot the green crystals above his healing pools to destroy them. Wish more people knew this.

[Artorias]

Originally posted by Borko:

Mantis' ult provides massive healing and bonus health in the radius, so everyone inside is basically unkillable unless you hit them with something like Iron Man's ult, and Hawkeye probably can't do anything because of the bonus health.

Luna Snow's ult is healing so absolutely colossal that anyone within the radius becomes basically immortal except for oneshots, and it lasts SO LONG.

I'm getting so tired of these ults being "push for free" ults. Any time Luna Snow activates her ult everyone just has to leave because there's no way we're killing anyone in there unless someone is cracked on Hawkeye or someone has a oneshot ult ready to counter it.

It reminds me of Zen's Transcendence and Lucio's Sound Barrier, where everyone inside Zen's ult becomes immortal unless they are oneshot, and everyone inside Lucio's ult can't even be oneshot for a while after it's used, and it's really just best to run away and give up the space when they go in with those.

Except in Overwatch there's anti-heal to get around Zen's ult.
There's no anti-heal in Rivals, so everyone has to just run away or die when Mantis or Luna Snow use their ults.
Every time I see either of them use it, my entire team has to pull back or we all just die to their nearly unkillable teammates.

And Luna and Mantis get their's so frequently. I've fought against teams where their Luna had it every single fight. Literally every fight, so we could never really do anything.

Above diamond Mantis and luna are in both teams most games and it's not even fun lol

[Dylan]

Originally posted by Abomination713:

Originally posted by Borko:

Forgot about Loki. His shift is nuts.

You can shoot the green crystals above his healing pools to destroy them. Wish more people knew this.

i only discovered this recently. devs should have taken from baptiste and made the crystals huge and glowing because as they are right now they just look like a visual effect

[Borko]

Originally posted by Abomination713:

Originally posted by Borko:

Forgot about Loki. His shift is nuts.

You can shoot the green crystals above his healing pools to destroy them. Wish more people knew this.

I know.

[Abomination713]

Yeah, this ults are so annoying. Mantis has a larger radius and lasts 8 seconds, but Luna's last 12 seconds and is slightly smaller. However, you can spam the switch button so Luna's is giving a DPS increase and heal at the same time. It's ridiculous and needs a nerf. Put a 1-2 cooldown between switching between modes and lower it from 12 to 8 to match Mantis.

[IKnowGunFu]

Yeah, Luna's ult is honestly BS. They should lower the length at least. Cloak and Dagger's by comparison is a joke. It's far less effective, and they can be knocked / killed out of it pretty easily.