Can we knock down the healing a bit?

[Krusti3]

If a solo healer can turn any character in the game into an unkillable tank, it's just too much. Even with focus firing on a target a pocketed player can out heal 2 damage players even with critical hits. It's the biggest critique I have of this game. Healing should complement good play, not prop up poor positioning.

[Kyutaru]

If you want anyone to take you seriously, at least use facts, not hyperbole. For starters, Hawkeye already one shots 250 health characters, so they are not unkillable "even with critical hits" by any standard. You can see the values here:

https://www.marvelrivals.com/heroes/index.html

Mantis is considered the best healer and only heals 150 health per Q, which is a limited supply.

Jeff has a 140 health per second heal on his primary, with bubbles that burst for 85 as an E.

If you can't deal more than 150 health per second in damage between two or more characters, you're bad. Even Magneto, one of the least damaging heroes, deals 75 per primary on a normal hit. Two Magnetos matches the healing. Nevermind actual DPS characters that deal 120 per hit like Black Widow AND can inflict crits.

And that's just two characters focus firing. You have six on your team.

[Krusti3]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

If you want anyone to take you seriously, at least use facts, not hyperbole. For starters, Hawkeye already one shots 250 health characters, so they are not unkillable "even with critical hits" by any standard. You can see the values here:

https://www.marvelrivals.com/heroes/index.html

Mantis is considered the best healer and only heals 150 health per Q, which is a limited supply.

Jeff has a 140 health per second heal on his primary, with bubbles that burst for 85 as an E.

If you can't deal more than 150 health per second in damage between two or more characters, you're bad. Even Magneto, one of the least damaging heroes, deals 75 per primary on a normal hit. Two Magnetos matches the healing. Nevermind actual DPS characters that deal 120 per hit like Black Widow AND can inflict crits.

And that's just two characters focus firing. You have six on your team.

Magneto isn't shooting out Two bursts per second, so his DPS is less than 100 with a direct hit, which is half, Crit that and you are 150, which means that you need consistent Critical hits in order to match healing. If you're shooting centre mass, they can out sustain your damage 2:1.

Of course 1 hit abilities that do more than 250 Damage are going to kill uber squishy characters. And Right now Hawk eye with the team up bonus is the only character in the game with a 1 shot on their weapon from Critical strikes. Means that the MAJORITY of the game can have their DPS out healed by a single healer. Which comes right back to my original statement. Healing in this game shouldn't be a crutch for bad positioning or to make you some what tanky. It should be in conjunction with good positioning and supplemental to finding the 100's of health packs around the map. Healing has TOO much value in this game because it's over tuned.

Whether you agree or not is beyond the point, But all things equal, I shouldn't be able to 1v1 a venom as starlord because my Jeff is looking at me. I should lose that fight albeit slower than if Jeff wasn't there, but I shouldn't be winning that.

[Mochan]

No.
You just need to get better at the game and, not miss your shots.

DPS always whine about healers being OP, not realizing healer abilities are much weaker than DPS abilities. Literally no healer can keep up wtih DPS bursting down a squishie, unless the DPS misses most of their shots or is Logan.

[Simple Kind of Man]

OR hear me out.....you kill the healer 1st.....just saying

[Spriggan]

as a support player i wouldve agreed with you like a week ago but really the only kind of healing that makes people really hard to kill are ults which makes sense

[melonLord]

Originally posted by Simple Kind of Man:

OR hear me out.....you kill the healer 1st.....just saying

Evergreen comic lol
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/09/21/the-protip

[Valinov]

just kill the healers first?

[SBTim]

Originally posted by Valinov:

just kill the healers first?

jeff the land shark says byeeee

[I might be Batman]

Originally posted by Krusti3:

If a solo healer can turn any character in the game into an unkillable tank, it's just too much. Even with focus firing on a target a pocketed player can out heal 2 damage players even with critical hits. It's the biggest critique I have of this game. Healing should complement good play, not prop up poor positioning.

Flank the heals..

[Mochan]

Originally posted by SBTim:

Originally posted by Valinov:

just kill the healers first?

jeff the land shark says byeeee

jeff kills DPS.

[Good Person]

Originally posted by Krusti3:

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

If you want anyone to take you seriously, at least use facts, not hyperbole. For starters, Hawkeye already one shots 250 health characters, so they are not unkillable "even with critical hits" by any standard. You can see the values here:

https://www.marvelrivals.com/heroes/index.html

Mantis is considered the best healer and only heals 150 health per Q, which is a limited supply.

Jeff has a 140 health per second heal on his primary, with bubbles that burst for 85 as an E.

If you can't deal more than 150 health per second in damage between two or more characters, you're bad. Even Magneto, one of the least damaging heroes, deals 75 per primary on a normal hit. Two Magnetos matches the healing. Nevermind actual DPS characters that deal 120 per hit like Black Widow AND can inflict crits.

And that's just two characters focus firing. You have six on your team.

I shouldn't be able to 1v1 a venom as starlord because my Jeff is looking at me. I should lose that fight albeit slower than if Jeff wasn't there, but I shouldn't be winning that.

Venom has tons of self sustain. Starlords dps is not smooth, and is more oriented to burst.

In this hypothetical even if starlord and venom were 1v1, Venom would win. Why is starlord focus firing Venom being pocketed instead of flanking a healer/another duelist???

[Krusti3]

Originally posted by Good Person:

Originally posted by Krusti3:

I shouldn't be able to 1v1 a venom as starlord because my Jeff is looking at me. I should lose that fight albeit slower than if Jeff wasn't there, but I shouldn't be winning that.

Venom has tons of self sustain. Starlords dps is not smooth, and is more oriented to burst.

In this hypothetical even if starlord and venom were 1v1, Venom would win. Why is starlord focus firing Venom being pocketed instead of flanking a healer/another duelist???

Reading comprehension not your strong point hey? Try again.

[Good Person]

Originally posted by Krusti3:

Originally posted by Good Person:

Venom has tons of self sustain. Starlords dps is not smooth, and is more oriented to burst.

In this hypothetical even if starlord and venom were 1v1, Venom would win. Why is starlord focus firing Venom being pocketed instead of flanking a healer/another duelist???

Reading comprehension not your strong point hey? Try again.

Ok, lets flip the scenario.

Venom also doesn't have amazing dps , he is also burst oriented. You'd lose the 1v1 outright but you're being pocketed, so why would you ever lose? He cant even do his ground pound.

If the Venom was a Thor or a Magneto with scarlet team-up youd both lose. Venom also should go find someone else to harass, but id argue he'dbe able to kill the Jeff if the Jeff decides not to run away. Its a working as intended interaction.

Like even assuming the Jeff was instead another dps, Venom would still lose. Its not a "healing is overtuned" thing, its a "My team is cooperating with me" thing.

[HighLanderPony]

If you can't kill someone through a single healer even with that much:

- You gotta miss less
- You gotta focus somebody else

Either way, skissue.

[AutumnWolf]

Sounds like a skill issue for sure.