Supports need DRASTIC changes

[Westbrook]

Wanna know another reason people spam hawkeye and hela? It's not just because they are super strong, it's because they are one of the few people that can actually break through the healing in this game.

There is SO much sustain it's actually ridiculous. Adam's E is broken as all hell, Mantis can just apply a passive self heal to basically her whole team with a constant uptime while also having a stun ability that has a massive AoE for some reason AND some of the best damage... in the game in general.

And if those two are being used together, you have to kill them TWICE for them to actually stay dead because adam has a passive to just self revive and mantis gets that from the team up.

Jeff's ult is ridiculous, his primary healing is 140 hp/s?????????, AND he has an aoe burst healing option available that not only gives a speed boost on top of the burst healing but also provides a 15% increase to incoming healing as well.

C&D has a large bubble to heal and another ability that also boosts healing received, whilst also having an invul ability, and MORE AoE healing with her primary fire.

Luna has basically a 12 second long zen ult, 120 hp/s with her primary fire, yet again another ability that not only boosts healing by 35% from her E but also lets you just... passively heal them by healing someone else. And she gets a stun to top it off.

Rocket and loki are about the only 2 that don't look like they have just idiotic numbers.

But all in all... it's ridiculous. Once you get to a point where you are playing against competent players, meaning competent supports you just flat out can't kill anything. It ALL gets out healed, and with minimal effort too. None of them are difficult to play. At best you got luna who needs to aim her healing, but even then... it's not rocket science.

[ele]

It's the other way around. Once you have competent players the supports really struggle.

[Alonemax]

Well...Just target supports first then.

[Westbrook]

Originally posted by ele:

It's the other way around. Once you have competent players the supports really struggle.

hilariously wrong. supports dominate and dictate 90% of my games. You flat out can't out damage the healing / sustain that they have.

[Westbrook]

Originally posted by Alonemax:

Well...Just target supports first then.

That would be great if they didn't also have hilarious self sustain, mobility, and CC.

[ele]

Originally posted by Westbrook:

Originally posted by ele:

It's the other way around. Once you have competent players the supports really struggle.

hilariously wrong. supports dominate and dictate 90% of my games. You flat out can't out damage the healing / sustain that they have.

That means you don't have competent players.... as discussed.

[Tiziel]

Seems skill issue

[Westbrook]

Originally posted by ele:

Originally posted by Westbrook:

hilariously wrong. supports dominate and dictate 90% of my games. You flat out can't out damage the healing / sustain that they have.

That means you don't have competent players.... as discussed.

No it means the opposite.... as discussed.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Ah yes nerf support, good idea when dps numbers are already insane across the board and healing really isn't as op as you make it, not to mention people avoid playing support and tank so damn often. A good dps will always beat a good support unless they land a CC on you and get some headshots in. Luna requires precise aim, Loki needs setup to be potent, Adam is sitting ducks constantly and his CD on heal is quite long, Mantis's healing is not potent at all, C&D only has that one ability that gives a decent amount of health back, her primary and other ability are lacking in healing power. Rocket is just rocket and Jeff isn't that hard to deal with really since he has to make himself vulnerable to do anything.

Only thing that needs changing is Jeff's ultimate, the rest require skill to some degree to get good numbers and a ton of team work. The only time they will outheal dps is when either the dps suck that much or ultimates are being used, which rightly so helps survive a lot. People complain about the supports and the healing numbers but in the end its 95% going to be because people get annoyed they can't go ham on people and get their kills so easily as dps. Nerf support, see less support players and other players will be whining about lack of support lol. You want support in your game to keep you up so you can keep killing? Maybe don't screw them over.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Westbrook:

Wanna know another reason people spam hawkeye and hela? It's not just because they are super strong, it's because they are one of the few people that can actually break through the healing in this game.

There is SO much sustain it's actually ridiculous. Adam's E is broken as all hell, Mantis can just apply a passive self heal to basically her whole team with a constant uptime while also having a stun ability that has a massive AoE for some reason AND some of the best damage... in the game in general.

And if those two are being used together, you have to kill them TWICE for them to actually stay dead because adam has a passive to just self revive and mantis gets that from the team up.

Jeff's ult is ridiculous, his primary healing is 140 hp/s?????????, AND he has an aoe burst healing option available that not only gives a speed boost on top of the burst healing but also provides a 15% increase to incoming healing as well.

C&D has a large bubble to heal and another ability that also boosts healing received, whilst also having an invul ability, and MORE AoE healing with her primary fire.

Luna has basically a 12 second long zen ult, 120 hp/s with her primary fire, yet again another ability that not only boosts healing by 35% from her E but also lets you just... passively heal them by healing someone else. And she gets a stun to top it off.

Rocket and loki are about the only 2 that don't look like they have just idiotic numbers.

But all in all... it's ridiculous. Once you get to a point where you are playing against competent players, meaning competent supports you just flat out can't kill anything. It ALL gets out healed, and with minimal effort too. None of them are difficult to play. At best you got luna who needs to aim her healing, but even then... it's not rocket science.

Warlock's E is on a long-ass cooldown. If you can't break through that you seriously just suck as a DPS. Are you missing every shot for 6 seconds? You deserve to lose then.

This game doesn't have too much sustain, if anything it has too little. There's too much burst damage in this game and not enough people playing Support.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Renée Renard:

Ah yes nerf support, good idea when dps numbers are already insane across the board and healing really isn't as op as you make it, not to mention people avoid playing support and tank so damn often. A good dps will always beat a good support unless they land a CC on you and get some headshots in. Luna requires precise aim, Loki needs setup to be potent, Adam is sitting ducks constantly and his CD on heal is quite long, Mantis's healing is not potent at all, C&D only has that one ability that gives a decent amount of health back, her primary and other ability are lacking in healing power. Rocket is just rocket and Jeff isn't that hard to deal with really since he has to make himself vulnerable to do anything.

Only thing that needs changing is Jeff's ultimate, the rest require skill to some degree to get good numbers and a ton of team work. The only time they will outheal dps is when either the dps suck that much or ultimates are being used, which rightly so helps survive a lot. People complain about the supports and the healing numbers but in the end its 95% going to be because people get annoyed they can't go ham on people and get their kills so easily as dps. Nerf support, see less support players and other players will be whining about lack of support lol. You want support in your game to keep you up so you can keep killing? Maybe don't screw them over.

Not to mention Scarlet Witch and Iron Man can just blast through even Luna Snow's ult.

Only DPS players whien about SUpports, and it's always because they can't get any kills. Seriously skill issue, DPS outdamages healing, that's how it has always been in Overwatch and how it is in Rivals, It only looks like the healers are outhealing them because they can't hit their targets.

The DPS whiners in Overwatch complained about it then as well, 6 years ago, and then again 2 years ago. You know what happened? They ended up nerfing healing and then buffing up Support's damage and survivability... that's how we ended up with Overwatch 2. Mercy got nerfed 12 patches in a row over 2 years time because DPS were whining she was outhealing their damage. It got worse and gave birth to one of the most hated metas in Overwatch history (Moth Meta) which took 2 years to fix.

And that's the exact same game design Marvel Rivals copied. That's why Supports in MR can duel DPS and win, pretty consistently.

Nerf healers? They will just get buffed to get better at dueling DPS. And you're going to regret fighting Uber Mantis even more than you are today.

[itzDerrio]

people don’t like to admit when support is overtuned, it took people 2 years to admit that support in ow2 is overtuned

[Mochan]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

people don’t like to admit when support is overtuned, it took people 2 years to admit that support in ow2 is overtuned

You know why Supports got overtuned? Because DPS kept whining about their healing. So Blizz lowered their healing and upped everything else.

And basically that's what this clueless guy is asking for now in Marvel Rivals. Be careful what you wish for.

[Hybrid]

Originally posted by ele:

It's the other way around. Once you have competent players the supports really struggle.

Exactly

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Mochan:

Originally posted by Renée Renard:

Ah yes nerf support, good idea when dps numbers are already insane across the board and healing really isn't as op as you make it, not to mention people avoid playing support and tank so damn often. A good dps will always beat a good support unless they land a CC on you and get some headshots in. Luna requires precise aim, Loki needs setup to be potent, Adam is sitting ducks constantly and his CD on heal is quite long, Mantis's healing is not potent at all, C&D only has that one ability that gives a decent amount of health back, her primary and other ability are lacking in healing power. Rocket is just rocket and Jeff isn't that hard to deal with really since he has to make himself vulnerable to do anything.

Only thing that needs changing is Jeff's ultimate, the rest require skill to some degree to get good numbers and a ton of team work. The only time they will outheal dps is when either the dps suck that much or ultimates are being used, which rightly so helps survive a lot. People complain about the supports and the healing numbers but in the end its 95% going to be because people get annoyed they can't go ham on people and get their kills so easily as dps. Nerf support, see less support players and other players will be whining about lack of support lol. You want support in your game to keep you up so you can keep killing? Maybe don't screw them over.

Not to mention Scarlet Witch and Iron Man can just blast through even Luna Snow's ult.

Only DPS players whien about SUpports, and it's always because they can't get any kills. Seriously skill issue, DPS outdamages healing, that's how it has always been in Overwatch and how it is in Rivals, It only looks like the healers are outhealing them because they can't hit their targets.

The DPS whiners in Overwatch complained about it then as well, 6 years ago, and then again 2 years ago. You know what happened? They ended up nerfing healing and then buffing up Support's damage and survivability... that's how we ended up with Overwatch 2. Mercy got nerfed 12 patches in a row over 2 years time because DPS were whining she was outhealing their damage. It got worse and gave birth to one of the most hated metas in Overwatch history (Moth Meta) which took 2 years to fix.

And that's the exact same game design Marvel Rivals copied. That's why Supports in MR can duel DPS and win, pretty consistently.

Nerf healers? They will just get buffed to get better at dueling DPS. And you're going to regret fighting Uber Mantis even more than you are today.

You don't even need an ult to burn through Luna's ult, was literally just in a game where someone tried to use her ult to stall the objective only to be bursted down through it by my team.

On a side note though I honestly wouldn't mind if Rocket's damage got buffed, his healing's not great but we already have a lot of great healers in the game so making him a dps/support hybrid would be pretty neat.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Op needs to provide some footage of him healing and him playing as dps, then we can see the truth. Clearly they don't play support and clearly they don't do dps too well either.