Aim assist for controllers are too strong

[Desert Leaf]

Now before you all starting hammering down all the clown awards and hate, please know that I have looked into several game recordings in my History within Marvel Rivals.

That's right, every game you play is recording locally on your machine and can be viewed through the HISTORY section in your PROFILE of Marvel Rivals. This replay feature allows you to spectate through the eyes of every player.

Now what I have observed is the players who use the controller are far less responsive to almost everything. They move in a linear fashion, they barely move the camera and yet there crosshairs are dead on target. This is because the aim assist is playing the game for them, and the person with the controller is only performing 30% of the actual game play.

In better words, controller users are not aiming, they are bringing the crosshair in proximation for the aim assist to take control. MANY controller users keep their crosshairs at a neutral position and move the Character body through strafing. When the cross hairs reach a proximity of a target, it snaps into a position that is most often the head. From Here, aiming is non-existent. From observations, the only time a controller user actually uses his/her hand to "AIM" is when a full throttle of rotation is required to escape or face a direction beyond 90 degrees. ( ! ) This full throttle is evidence that the controller users are strategically setting their aim sensitivity at a ridiculously high value that is impossible to manually aim with. ( ! ) They were never aiming in the first place!!!!!!!

As these observations are more than likely well-known and have become a standard in controller competitions in major titles, how is this considered fair to the manual technicality of the PC's Mouse.

PC users who are using the Mouse and Keyboard move fluidly and aim with an overshooting snap. Overshooting is when the player moves the mouse passed the target in human error. Human error does not exist on the controller because the controller only needs to perform 30% of the actual action to land on target. Controllers does not need to correct itself because it never overshoots.

I hear and read excuses about "get good" but does anyone comprehend the aim difference between mouse and controller besides how it is held in the hand? The MOUSE requires muscle memory of pixel measurements of monitor just to AIM (move) an inch. In order to aim at multiple targets and bounce the sights between them, one must physically remember the distance of where the mouse needs to be between the 2 targets. You can try this right now just by trying to click icons on you desktop. You need to remember the mouse position for all targets relative to the screen. The controller; however, does not require any of this.

The controller is a value. This value is then processed as an increment of rotation. This specifically means the movement of the stick does not relate to the distance of multiple targets. The controller's stick is incapable of distance. This major difference between mouse and analog stick are that they are two different animals. The controller does need a handicap, but not by snapping on target.

Aim assist should be an assist, not as a target seeker. This means the Aim Assist must require an input in the rotation stick in order to ease on to the target through scripted influential additions and subtractions to counter the Analog Stick. The aim assist must not stop on target, the USER must stop the input him/herself. This is not the case in Marvel Rivals, Call of Duty, and many more big titles. Currently, the rotation of the stick is not even necessary because the Target Seeking aim assist does 70% of the job for you. I have played games with zero aim assist back in the 90s and no on can shoot in those games. Instead, we strafe in them in hopes the crosshair lands on target. I can validate this behavior is still true today, but its now modified to seek targets.

------ Anyone in disagreement, I put this video right here so everyone can see. I know people think stuff like this does not exist and that everyone has perfect aiming skills cuz they "get good". Unfortunately, its just a whole conformed package of cheating that has been a world standard.

https://youtu.be/3BQzYh3aw4Q

###Last And Final Update###
Aim assist on PC works for some and not all, and usually bugs out in random occasions.

My original concern was heavily mistaking cheaters for aim assist. Over the hours of gameplay I have noted suspicious activity and concluded that 4 types of hacks were storming Season 0. As season 1 hit, all 4 hacks were absent. Not until 2 or 3 weeks into season 1, 2 of the 4 hacks have shown up.

Hacks:
1. See through walls - Not yet observed in season 1

2. Aim bot - Not yet observed in season 1

3. Auto Fire collider detection - season 0 and 1

4. Ping Attack (i dont know the correct term) - season 0 and 1.

[Many-Named]

bro i think the console peasants need all the help they can get, they consistently rank lower

[MetalOtakuMarc]

I'm sure this was said in this thread already. But aim assist on this game is weak compared to almost every other major title. It's mainly because there's no "rotational" aim assist. This means your camera won't automatically track on a moving target. Aim snapping doesn't happen. OP probably witnessed cheaters of some kind.

Aim assist is on PC. You can go into the range and test it for yourself.

[~ Requiem ~]

Publicado originalmente por Wizard_of_Nozs:

Aim assist has completely ruined a lot of games on PC. They would have been better to add kbm support to consoles and taken it off all together or simply make every game so that it has controller and kbm matchmaking separately. Just take a look at some of the aim assist videos showcasing exactly how extreme the asisst is on youtube.

It's completely taken out the skill in gaming.

+1

[John Cena]

Publicado originalmente por MetalOtakuMarc:

I'm sure this was said in this thread already. But aim assist on this game is weak compared to almost every other major title. It's mainly because there's no "rotational" aim assist. This means your camera won't automatically track on a moving target. Aim snapping doesn't happen. OP probably witnessed cheaters of some kind.

Aim assist is on PC. You can go into the range and test it for yourself.

aim assist in this game has the projectile lock onto the enemy despite the recticle being a character away.

[Roland]

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

Roland, it's clear you don't understand what is being represented in the video.

If you watch the video with an open mind (instead a bias one), you will release how locked-on his head shots are with starlord.

Dawg he is faking the video wtf do you not understand?
THE. VIDEO. IS. FAKE.

There's now like 5 of us in this thread telling you aim assist does not work on PC therefore he cannot be making his keyboard and mouse pretend to be a controller like he claims.

He's either a.) spliced footage from PC and console together, or b.) is using keyboard and mouse on console because fun ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fact most consoles support keyboard and mouse since the PS3 days. PS3 let you use keyboard and mouse for Unreal Tournament 3 and several other FPS games, and Xbox has let you use it for the entire OS ever since Xbox One.

And again, plug a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ controller in for yourself and test the aim assist yourself. Do it. Stop arguing when you haven't tested it and test it.

[ele]

There should be no aim-assist in any online game.

[Jae Sambo]

Aim assist doesn't exist in this game. Only way to consistently hit targets is to strafe. Good luck trying to hit spiderman or any other flying characters.

[Desert Leaf]

Publicado originalmente por Jae Sambo:

Aim assist doesn't exist in this game. Only way to consistently hit targets is to strafe. Good luck trying to hit spiderman or any other flying characters.

Exactly this.

Yet somehow, even when spider man is swinging wildly, I've seen kill cams with a complete lock on no matter if spider man swings from below, above, across the screen.

[Xiel]

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

Publicado originalmente por Jae Sambo:

Aim assist doesn't exist in this game. Only way to consistently hit targets is to strafe. Good luck trying to hit spiderman or any other flying characters.

Exactly this.

Yet somehow, even when spider man is swinging wildly, I've seen kill cams with a complete lock on no matter if spider man swings from below, above, across the screen.

Then it's not aim assist, it's literally an aimbot. Report that player and move on.

[Kyo Tanaka]

Publicado originalmente por Roland:

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

Roland, it's clear you don't understand what is being represented in the video.

If you watch the video with an open mind (instead a bias one), you will release how locked-on his head shots are with starlord.

Dawg he is faking the video wtf do you not understand?
THE. VIDEO. IS. FAKE.

There's now like 5 of us in this thread telling you aim assist does not work on PC therefore he cannot be making his keyboard and mouse pretend to be a controller like he claims.

He's either a.) spliced footage from PC and console together, or b.) is using keyboard and mouse on console because fun ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fact most consoles support keyboard and mouse since the PS3 days. PS3 let you use keyboard and mouse for Unreal Tournament 3 and several other FPS games, and Xbox has let you use it for the entire OS ever since Xbox One.

And again, plug a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ controller in for yourself and test the aim assist yourself. Do it. Stop arguing when you haven't tested it and test it.

Buddy, I don't know how to tell you... Aim assist works in this game. The problem is that it's absolutely dogwater, to the point I find myself having better accuracy by turning that ♥♥♥♥ off since that is the most consistent behavior.

Yes, I am a controller user. Yes, I labbed this. It works. No, it is not worth getting banned over, you are not going to become a headshot god by turning it on.

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

Publicado originalmente por Jae Sambo:

Aim assist doesn't exist in this game. Only way to consistently hit targets is to strafe. Good luck trying to hit spiderman or any other flying characters.

Exactly this.

Yet somehow, even when spider man is swinging wildly, I've seen kill cams with a complete lock on no matter if spider man swings from below, above, across the screen.

Aim assist do not "lock on," it just sticks but never locks. And with this game's aim assist, the stickiness factor is by far the worst I'd seen in any recent games I can mention, so it absolutely will not help you hit a strafing Hulk and his big, girthy hurtbox.

The more likely scenario here is that you found a cheater. An actual script kiddie. This is why saving matches is important, so you can actually review the game and spot cheaters. Anti-cheat is worthless if you do not help them spot cheaters that found a way around the system.

[Desert Leaf]

on PC for those Non Believers.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3384056784

[Desert Leaf]

Publicado originalmente por Roland:

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

Roland, it's clear you don't understand what is being represented in the video.

If you watch the video with an open mind (instead a bias one), you will release how locked-on his head shots are with starlord.

Dawg he is faking the video wtf do you not understand?
THE. VIDEO. IS. FAKE.

There's now like 5 of us in this thread telling you aim assist does not work on PC therefore he cannot be making his keyboard and mouse pretend to be a controller like he claims.

He's either a.) spliced footage from PC and console together, or b.) is using keyboard and mouse on console because fun ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fact most consoles support keyboard and mouse since the PS3 days. PS3 let you use keyboard and mouse for Unreal Tournament 3 and several other FPS games, and Xbox has let you use it for the entire OS ever since Xbox One.

And again, plug a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ controller in for yourself and test the aim assist yourself. Do it. Stop arguing when you haven't tested it and test it.

Okay Roland, so i tested the PC controller Aim Assist myself just now. I managed to make noticeable differences in the performance of the aim assist available for PC controllers.

I have noticed that the PC's version of Aim assist moves projectiles to your target without affecting your crosshairs. By keeping the Assist Window size at a lower value these projectiles will hone itself to the target. I will be aiming at empty space next to a character and yet bullets land.

When I turn off Aim Assist Strength, these empty space shots miss 100% of the time.

The PC's Aim Assist is there, but it does not influence the aiming like it would on console. This only proves that PC users on controllers are cheating.

Again as I stated in the OP how aim assist works based on a value system rather than distance on a coordinate system, achieving a better aim assist on PC is to reduce the window size and manipulate the ramp up on specific characters. Id play around with the aim assist some more but I am not here to work for others.

[Walkman Rew]

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

on PC for those Non Believers.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3384056784

I feel sick

[Captain Blue]

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

on PC for those Non Believers.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3384056784

I've played with a controller with the default settings the ones shown in the picture and you basically cannot feel the aim assist it is almost non existent... It's not some super amazing aim assist that locks and tracks people like a terminator..... Every time I hear people say aim assist on controller is so strong in Fortnite or CoD etc it's not cheaters it's console players with OP aim assist... Then you plug in the controller and you can't even tell if there is aim assist... There is no aim assist that makes you track players like a Terminator... Go check channels like Blame Truth... Straight up frauds,,, There ain't no controller aim assist in CoD that can track people like that...

OP AIM ASSIST IS A MYTH CREATED BY CHEATERS TO HIDE CHEATERS...... Go play Fortnite or CoD with a controller. Play this game with a controller... You are not locking to players like a terminator..

[Roland]

Publicado originalmente por Kyo Tanaka:

Publicado originalmente por Roland:

Dawg he is faking the video wtf do you not understand?
THE. VIDEO. IS. FAKE.

There's now like 5 of us in this thread telling you aim assist does not work on PC therefore he cannot be making his keyboard and mouse pretend to be a controller like he claims.

He's either a.) spliced footage from PC and console together, or b.) is using keyboard and mouse on console because fun ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fact most consoles support keyboard and mouse since the PS3 days. PS3 let you use keyboard and mouse for Unreal Tournament 3 and several other FPS games, and Xbox has let you use it for the entire OS ever since Xbox One.

And again, plug a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ controller in for yourself and test the aim assist yourself. Do it. Stop arguing when you haven't tested it and test it.

Buddy, I don't know how to tell you... Aim assist works in this game. The problem is that it's absolutely dogwater, .

Wanna bet?
Here's a video proving it does not work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpeK6pyxbKk
Maxed out Strength and minimized Ease In and it does literally nothing to affect aiming.

Publicado originalmente por Desert Leaf:

I have noticed that the PC's version of Aim assist moves projectiles to your target without affecting your crosshairs.

LMAO I prove this exact thing wrong in my video by shooting around the bot with Punisher.