Ironman, needs to hold up his own most of the time, healers ignore him even when near

[Hasher22]

So i have been playing ironman for a good few games and noticed a few things, even when watching others.

healers rarely heal ironman, even when pinged. This is obviously as ironman zooms around the map and it's easier to heal ground units and most players are there.

If ironman needs healing, he either needs to find the healer and hopes they notice or zoom around for a health pack and this will take ironman off the map for quite a while.

While there are strats to make him more in-game and mitigate damage, he is the easiest target to kill in open spaces, yet he needs to work with the environment, especially walls and trees to hide his position.

I think, ironman needs a small shield regen. Replace 50 of his health to 50 regen shield.

yes you can debate the healers 'need to do their job' but it's just games like this in general where flight heroes will rarely get healing because they are out of range as they zoom around.

[rkjesseryu]

it could be argued hulk and wolverine should have a passive heal out of combat.

I main hulk and iron man, and I get healed often enough.

[Emygdius]

I do not think he does. As an Ironman semi main, I feel it is honestly cheating playing as him on some maps. The only time I feel a little stressed is if Black Widow and Hawkeye are on the opposing team. I can clear about 30ish or more kills in a game, while only dying a single time or twice, (Sometimes none if I am on my A game, and I am not being counter picked.)

Trick is to remember you have an essentially infinite speed boost, lots of healing items around. (Much better to leave combat for a few seconds to heal up, then to just let yourself die and take longer getting back.) If your healers are not healing you and you DESPERATELY need it to the point where you can ping, you can also lower yourself, so they don't have to aim all the way up in the sky, increasing their chances of dying to an enemy they don't see a hundred fold.

TLDR: Playing as Tony feels like cheating if the opposing team is not counter playing.

EDIT: Also NEVER stay still. Always be moving. You have the benefit of flying around and able to move in any direction unlike other characters, abuse it.

[Ronin Gamer]

You're flying above people's heads. Some of them aren't focusing on anything other than what is directly in front of them. Even when I'm playing support I can't see everywhere at the same time, since I play both sides of this situation it's not likely healers hate you, unless you're being an ass or something. Then maybe.

[Tsi Aileron]

I heal flyers when they are in view but I'm not chasing you down across the map. If you're playing as a loner in a team game, it's your own fault you're dying.

[Brandon]

honestly if an ironman can fly above me or out from behind a wall I can toss him a heal easy

[Roland]

When I play C&D I throw Daggers at Tony when he needs them and he is in my line of sight.

If he's around the corner though or on the other side of the map, I can't help him

[DragynDance]

Originally posted by Hasher22:

So i have been playing ironman for a good few games and noticed a few things, even when watching others.

healers rarely heal ironman, even when pinged. This is obviously as ironman zooms around the map and it's easier to heal ground units and most players are there.

If ironman needs healing, he either needs to find the healer and hopes they notice or zoom around for a health pack and this will take ironman off the map for quite a while.

While there are strats to make him more in-game and mitigate damage, he is the easiest target to kill in open spaces, yet he needs to work with the environment, especially walls and trees to hide his position.

I think, ironman needs a small shield regen. Replace 50 of his health to 50 regen shield.

yes you can debate the healers 'need to do their job' but it's just games like this in general where flight heroes will rarely get healing because they are out of range as they zoom around.

Ironman is really strong, one of the strongest and top picked heroes. He shouldn't get buffed just because casual matches are full of bad healers. Him orHulk get banned commonly because their team up ability is so wildly powerful.

[id795078477]

They honestly need to do something about Iron Man and most importantly, Storm. These two are just sitting ducks when everything zips around them with a speed of a bullet. Sure, for Iron Man some passive regeneration could help, but that would still not solve his issue - he can't really do anything the moment there's a semi-decent Hela, Bucky or .. pretty much anyone with a bit of range willing to look above their heads.

For Storm it's even worse since she can't poke from a safe distance and has to float like an air balloon right in front of the enemy. If people complain about Wolverine being bad = they clearly didn't try Storm. She's really bad. And Iron Man isn't far ahead.

[DragynDance]

Originally posted by id795078477:

They honestly need to do something about Iron Man and most importantly, Storm. These two are just sitting ducks when everything zips around them with a speed of a bullet. Sure, for Iron Man some passive regeneration could help, but that would still not solve his issue - he can't really do anything the moment there's a semi-decent Hela, Bucky or .. pretty much anyone with a bit of range willing to look above their heads.

For Storm it's even worse since she can't poke from a safe distance and has to float like an air balloon right in front of the enemy. If people complain about Wolverine being bad = they clearly didn't try Storm. She's really bad. And Iron Man isn't far ahead.

Storm needs help, but Iron man is currently one of the strongest hero's in the game, he doesn't need a buff.

[ele]

Bad healers you mean.

[id795078477]

Originally posted by DragynDance:

Originally posted by id795078477:

They honestly need to do something about Iron Man and most importantly, Storm. These two are just sitting ducks when everything zips around them with a speed of a bullet. Sure, for Iron Man some passive regeneration could help, but that would still not solve his issue - he can't really do anything the moment there's a semi-decent Hela, Bucky or .. pretty much anyone with a bit of range willing to look above their heads.

For Storm it's even worse since she can't poke from a safe distance and has to float like an air balloon right in front of the enemy. If people complain about Wolverine being bad = they clearly didn't try Storm. She's really bad. And Iron Man isn't far ahead.

Storm needs help, but Iron man is currently one of the strongest hero's in the game, he doesn't need a buff.

Well.. tell me you play in low ELO without telling it. No offense = and the experience of every player is important, but there's a reason Iron Man is stuck at D-tier or lower in every tier list there is as well as never picked in any coordinated team. All feedback at even mid-tier (far from high!) shows he's just really bad.

In quick play - sure, he can dominate some unaware newbies. But if that's the extent sufficient for you to consider a hero "fine" - then all of them are utterly overpowered.

[DragynDance]

Originally posted by id795078477:

Originally posted by DragynDance:

Storm needs help, but Iron man is currently one of the strongest hero's in the game, he doesn't need a buff.

Well.. tell me you play in low ELO without telling it. No offense = and the experience of every player is important, but there's a reason Iron Man is stuck at D-tier or lower in every tire list there is as well as never picked in any coordinated team.

In quick play - sure, he can dominate some unaware newbies. But if that's the extent sufficient for you to consider a hero "fine" - then all of them are utterly overpowered.

You mean you just told on yourself. Leaderboards are publicly available, go look at some matches against grandmasters. Iron man or hulk are common bans, and if they aren't, someone is playing iron man + hulk for the team up.

[Sonrangeri]

If you are running away from healers constantly, and jumping over buildings in sky, you can't really blame healers. All healers need line of sight, and even then there's max range on skills.

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by DragynDance:

Originally posted by id795078477:

Well.. tell me you play in low ELO without telling it. No offense = and the experience of every player is important, but there's a reason Iron Man is stuck at D-tier or lower in every tire list there is as well as never picked in any coordinated team.

In quick play - sure, he can dominate some unaware newbies. But if that's the extent sufficient for you to consider a hero "fine" - then all of them are utterly overpowered.

You mean you just told on yourself. Leaderboards are publicly available, go look at some matches against grandmasters. Iron man or hulk are common bans, and if they aren't, someone is playing iron man + hulk for the team up.

Sounds like LoL players banning Yasuo so theirs wouldn't hit that 0/10 power spike.

[id795078477]

Originally posted by DragynDance:

Originally posted by id795078477:

Well.. tell me you play in low ELO without telling it. No offense = and the experience of every player is important, but there's a reason Iron Man is stuck at D-tier or lower in every tire list there is as well as never picked in any coordinated team.

In quick play - sure, he can dominate some unaware newbies. But if that's the extent sufficient for you to consider a hero "fine" - then all of them are utterly overpowered.

You mean you just told on yourself. Leaderboards are publicly available, go look at some matches against grandmasters. Iron man or hulk are common bans, and if they aren't, someone is playing iron man + hulk for the team up.

If they're publicly available, it's not hard to post a link?