People who play ironfist

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Delete the game enough said

[Quiet]

W + M1 and M2

[John Cena]

same with hela

[Queso Cogido]

If you see an Iron Fist just hop on the Cap, ez kill.

[I AM THE LAW!]

lmao!
I sympathize with you tho, he's so broken. the fact that you can INDEFINITELY hover in mid air by primary attacking is STUPID. you are like a melee ironman. his shift does a ridiculous amount of damage, and the fact that he can lock onto an air target and follow it all the way to the skybox...is just so stupid lol. There are several balance changes that are very much needed. Jeff, ironfist, venom (he's impossible to kill if used by a good player) mantis, and moon knight are at the top of characters with ridiculous ults or abilities.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

lmao!
I sympathize with you tho, he's so broken. the fact that you can INDEFINITELY hover in mid air by primary attacking is STUPID. you are like a melee ironman. his shift does a ridiculous amount of damage, and the fact that he can lock onto an air target and follow it all the way to the skybox...is just so stupid lol. There are several balance changes that are very much needed. Jeff, ironfist, venom (he's impossible to kill if used by a good player) mantis, and moon knight are at the top of characters with ridiculous ults or abilities.

The only hero who is competitively less viable than Iron Fist is Wolverine. He's firmly a dumpster tier hero alongside Iron Man and Scarlet Witch. Which is funny, as Scarlet Witch is another one of those noobstomper heroes that has bad players up in arms, pretending she is "too much" (despite being one of the worst dps heroes in the game).

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

lmao!
I sympathize with you tho, he's so broken. the fact that you can INDEFINITELY hover in mid air by primary attacking is STUPID. you are like a melee ironman. his shift does a ridiculous amount of damage, and the fact that he can lock onto an air target and follow it all the way to the skybox...is just so stupid lol. There are several balance changes that are very much needed. Jeff, ironfist, venom (he's impossible to kill if used by a good player) mantis, and moon knight are at the top of characters with ridiculous ults or abilities.

He's easy to kill, though. Just swap to Mantis, Peni Parker, or Captain America and he goes crying in a corner.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

lmao!
I sympathize with you tho, he's so broken. the fact that you can INDEFINITELY hover in mid air by primary attacking is STUPID. you are like a melee ironman. his shift does a ridiculous amount of damage, and the fact that he can lock onto an air target and follow it all the way to the skybox...is just so stupid lol. There are several balance changes that are very much needed. Jeff, ironfist, venom (he's impossible to kill if used by a good player) mantis, and moon knight are at the top of characters with ridiculous ults or abilities.

The only hero who is competitively less viable than Iron Fist is Wolverine. He's firmly a dumpster tier hero alongside Iron Man and Scarlet Witch. Which is funny, as Scarlet Witch is another one of those noobstomper heroes that has bad players up in arms, pretending she is "too much" (despite being one of the worst dps heroes in the game).

People complaining about Scarlet Witch are the same people who can't deal with DPS Moira. Both are honestly easy to kill. And you can even easily kill Scarlet Witch with Supports like Dagger and Mantis without any problems.

[Dodon]

Every character is easy to kill just shoot them.

[Maeda]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

lmao!
Jeff, ironfist, venom (he's impossible to kill if used by a good player) mantis, and moon knight are at the top of characters with ridiculous ults or abilities.

Mantis is quite fine as a character really. For Moon Knight, destroy his cross he placed as soon he throws and he loses his synergy and it's even predictable seeing it coming. I would argue Jeff and even Vemon would need to be tuned down but Iron Fist, as much you don't shoot during his parry ability, he wont get extra HP. You would need to;
> as a Duelist - look behind and make sure he doesn't rush a strategist
> as a Strategist - Glue to your teammates as much as you can.
The more ppl focus on Iron Fist, the faster he falls before eliminating a target and recover Healt or Temp Hp.

The only thing I would agree is disabling the ability for him to fly up from punches. Only kick and wall climbing should be able to allow him to climb. Hovering should be fine but he should fall faster.
Iron Fist makes Wolverine be so overshadowed and ignored.

[I AM THE LAW!]

Originally posted by Maeda:

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

lmao!
Jeff, ironfist, venom (he's impossible to kill if used by a good player) mantis, and moon knight are at the top of characters with ridiculous ults or abilities.

Mantis is quite fine as a character really. For Moon Knight, destroy his cross he placed as soon he throws and he loses his synergy and it's even predictable seeing it coming. I would argue Jeff and even Vemon would need to be tuned down but Iron Fist, as much you don't shoot during his parry ability, he wont get extra HP. You would need to;
> as a Duelist - look behind and make sure he doesn't rush a strategist
> as a Strategist - Glue to your teammates as much as you can.
The more ppl focus on Iron Fist, the faster he falls before eliminating a target and recover Healt or Temp Hp.

The only thing I would agree is disabling the ability for him to fly up from punches. Only kick and wall climbing should be able to allow him to climb. Hovering should be fine but he should fall faster.
Iron Fist makes Wolverine be so overshadowed and ignored.

So in summery: Play perfectly and you won't have issues.
Right, that's not possible, it's good advice, but no one plays perfectly. The characters I listed over perform compared to the rest. Iron fist over performs in damage and survivability. you say "just don't shoot him" yeah, even if you're really focused on not doing that, if he attacks, you shoot him and then he pops his ability he's still gonna eat some of what you threw at him, and THEN there's the fact that your teammates will probably shoot/melee him, so he's STILL gonna get that HP bonus, unless you're on a Esports level team that's all in a discord call and communicating. Ironfist can be dealt with and killed, so can every other character, that doesn't mean he isn't over performing and that some of his abilities aren't in need of being tunes down. for instance you should NOT be able to infinitely fly around just by meleeing, I am talking about gliding with melee kicks). 95% of players don't look up, is it their fault? yes, but you still shouldn't be able to fly as ironfist.

Mantis can heal almost as fast as you can deal it, I've been some situations where dealing with a mantis is incredibly frustrating and it's like dealing with a DPS, she should NOT be that powerful. I've often seen mantis's do more damage than damage classes.

For jeff, my main complaint is the absolutely WILD range of his ult. it's practically game breaking. and should not be so high reward for so low risk.

For moonknight his dps is way WAY too good. it's so fast you a lot of times don't have time to react to it. I think most people can agree it needs some tuning, his crosses should be easier to destroy too. he shouldn't be able to get in hundreds of dmg before you can destroy them.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

The only hero who is competitively less viable than Iron Fist is Wolverine. He's firmly a dumpster tier hero alongside Iron Man and Scarlet Witch. Which is funny, as Scarlet Witch is another one of those noobstomper heroes that has bad players up in arms, pretending she is "too much" (despite being one of the worst dps heroes in the game).

Iron Fist is definitely garbage in an organized competitive environment. But 99.99% of players will never play in an organized competitive environment. In normal matches, he's an absolute overpowered god. It's just very, very bad character design and game design.

Scarlet Witch, on the other hand, is easily handled even if your team is a bunch of disorganized pub solo players.

[I AM THE LAW!]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

The only hero who is competitively less viable than Iron Fist is Wolverine. He's firmly a dumpster tier hero alongside Iron Man and Scarlet Witch. Which is funny, as Scarlet Witch is another one of those noobstomper heroes that has bad players up in arms, pretending she is "too much" (despite being one of the worst dps heroes in the game).

Iron Fist is definitely garbage in an organized competitive environment. But 99.99% of players will never play in an organized competitive environment. In normal matches, he's an absolute overpowered god. It's just very, very bad character design and game design.

Scarlet Witch, on the other hand, is easily handled even if your team is a bunch of disorganized pub solo players.

Iron fist being garbage in competitive? Wat? literally how?? Where's the proof? I see him used quite a lot in comp.

[Strago]

pick punisher, stay near supports, laugh as you blow his face off in 2 shots with shotgun

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Mantis can heal almost as fast as you can deal it, I've been some situations where dealing with a mantis is incredibly frustrating and it's like dealing with a DPS, she should NOT be that powerful. I've often seen mantis's do more damage than damage classes.

Why not? Mantis is one of the top martial artists in Marvel. She is literally a better martial artist than Iron Fist. Iron Fist can't do crap to Thor but Mantis schooled Thor with nothing but martial arts.

Supports aren't healbots. They are Supports. Sorry, I mean "Strategists." They are still supposed to deal damage and it's pretty obvious from the design of the game that Supports are meant to deal damage.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Iron Fist is definitely garbage in an organized competitive environment. But 99.99% of players will never play in an organized competitive environment. In normal matches, he's an absolute overpowered god. It's just very, very bad character design and game design.

Scarlet Witch, on the other hand, is easily handled even if your team is a bunch of disorganized pub solo players.

Iron fist being garbage in competitive? Wat? literally how?? Where's the proof? I see him used quite a lot in comp.

Easy to counter. Just switch to Mantis and boom! Dead Iron Fist in a second.