Possible Anti Heal ?

[Dark]

Currently it feels awful to play DPS, except a few who can smoke through 3 invincible ults, like Iron Man ult.

I am in like high diamond now, and all i see, is Luna, Loki, Cloak and IW. All of them have zenyatta kind of ult, yes Lokl can copy any support and use that ult to make it even more OP. It just gets frustrating, that you somehow have to bait 4 ults to pop a good decent ult with Psy or bucky. 3 Invincible ults every 30 seconds just gets boring af tbh. Intoducing some anti heal would make dpsing a bit more fun, but currently its just underwhelming.

like for example i am bucky and i wanna ult. 100% there will be LUNA ult ready, somehow i bait it, cloak and dagger ult ready, somehow i bait that too, iw ult ready, way too many invincible support ults making it really boring, bring something like Ana nade from OW as anti heal in Rivals, so we can have some variety of games and counter plays.

[Foot]

Anti heal is a trash mechanic. Supp ults do need a nerf but they can't be completely useless.
U trade dps ult for a support one. What reason would people have to play supports if their ults were completely useless against dpses or tanks?

[Steve]

Originally posted by Dark:

Currently it feels awful to play DPS, except a few who can smoke through 3 invincible ults, like Iron Man ult.

As a Bucky player, you need to be paired with a Rocket during 3H. Bucky/Frank/Rocket eats 3H all day.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

I kind of feel that characters like Black Widow and Hawkeye should be able to one shot healers even without buffs. I would have kept their damage output high and nerfed how fast they can land those killing blows so that every shot counts and you can't just spam those hugh damage numbers. Maybe include a charge meter that they need to fill up to full before they can preform a lethal headshot to them, like how the sniper is in TF2 perhaps? Other wise they do a set amount of damage that will not instant kill anything.

They're still fun to play. But after playing other characters who can absolutely destroy other characters in seconds.... They feel a little bit underwhelming by comparison. If I were to play serious and wanted to be DPS.. I'd rather pick other characters well before them easily.

[VoidWalker]

Anti heal is stupid. Much better to just reduce support ult duration and/or alter some mechanics of those ults so that the 4 meta supports are not just immortality ults. Maybe they could give some slowing effect to allied attacks when under Luna ult, Mantis gives even more movement speed and fire rate etc. I'm just throwing ideas around, but i'd much rather have varied ults over 30 seconds of immortality every other team fight.

[Null Winter]

Basic ult economy in this genre: A support has to burn their ult to try to stop a team wipe from a DPS ult. It's on the attacking DPS' team to, surprise, co-ordinate to make the enemy defenders burn all their support ults on 1 or 2 attacker ults, and then have another ready after they're all done and have no reversals/negations left. If you force out 2 support ults with 1 DPS ult, then your team is already on a net positive with that trade and your other DPS or a damage oriented tank should have an ult ready for the team wipe (or at least for burning the now vulnerable healers).

Most games try to mix the braindead trade economy up by giving weird ults to some characters that are outside their intended role, like a support having a control ult (that sorceress healing lady in Paladins who fires a black hole to hold everyone in place), a DPS having a disorientation ult (Maive making all the enemy screens dark), a DPS putting up a barrier (Symmetra's shield wall long after she was cycled out of her launch support abilities), or a tank dropping a team-wide heal. This forces players to further consider ult charge levels and who might trade ults with each other or when someone might try to use their ult to make a push onto the contested objective.

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With all that said, I am surprised that there are so few CC and status afflictions in this game. Only a couple of stuns exist, and slows are so weak that they never secure kills or prevent escapes. There are no silences, only a single instance of self-inflicted anti-heal, a single blind...

[Shuyin178]

We already have anti-heal
It's called Groot walls

[BiggieJohn]

I did see a hawkeye and widow one shot 3 healers. Hawkeye team up and black widow ult. Of course A strange ult would work the same way if they are stunnable.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

Originally posted by BiggieJohn:

I did see a hawkeye and widow one shot 3 healers. Hawkeye team up and black widow ult. Of course A strange ult would work the same way if they are stunnable.

Having two snipers on a team to get the boost needed to do that is a bit over kill. Snipers don't generally push objectives and I feel the sacrifice of that is too little for the benefits you get out of it.

[Vinnolo]

anti heal would break alot of healer ultimates, not worth the effort to balance it, an effect to lower healing is a maybe, but deff not anti heal

[Borko]

Originally posted by Steve:

Originally posted by Dark:

Currently it feels awful to play DPS, except a few who can smoke through 3 invincible ults, like Iron Man ult.

As a Bucky player, you need to be paired with a Rocket during 3H. Bucky/Frank/Rocket eats 3H all day.

Nice lie, you will lose, because you will be down one immortality ult. No one should EVER use Rocket if the enemy team has more than 1 immortality ult support.
I know from experience as a Rocket main that's it's futile, you're throwing if you pick him then.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Borko:

Originally posted by Steve:

As a Bucky player, you need to be paired with a Rocket during 3H. Bucky/Frank/Rocket eats 3H all day.

Nice lie, you will lose, because you will be down one immortality ult. No one should EVER use Rocket if the enemy team has more than 1 immortality ult support.
I know from experience as a Rocket main that's it's futile, you're throwing if you pick him then.

I mow this down all the time on Punisher with a buddy playing Rocket.

There's a reason this comp is sub-50% winrate. It melts when properly countered.

[Borko]

Originally posted by Steve:

Originally posted by Borko:

Nice lie, you will lose, because you will be down one immortality ult. No one should EVER use Rocket if the enemy team has more than 1 immortality ult support.
I know from experience as a Rocket main that's it's futile, you're throwing if you pick him then.

I mow this down all the time on Punisher with a buddy playing Rocket.

There's a reason this comp is sub-50% winrate. It melts when properly countered.

You are not killing Luna Snow or her allies through her ult just by getting infinite ammo and faster firing speed on Punisher, unless they're being insanely stupid and standing completely still for you to spam shotgun blasts into their head.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Borko:

Originally posted by Steve:

I mow this down all the time on Punisher with a buddy playing Rocket.

There's a reason this comp is sub-50% winrate. It melts when properly countered.

You are not killing Luna Snow or her allies through her ult just by getting infinite ammo and faster firing speed on Punisher, unless they're being insanely stupid and standing completely still for you to spam shotgun blasts into their head.

https://rivalsmeta.com/team-comps

Third. Rhymes with "turd". Because 3H is crap.

It melts when countered with proper 2/2/2 or 3D.

It is what it is, my guy. You're having issues with a certain composition because the team is not countering it properly. Did you expect to stay on one character the whole match, or?

[Borko]

Originally posted by Steve:

Originally posted by Borko:

You are not killing Luna Snow or her allies through her ult just by getting infinite ammo and faster firing speed on Punisher, unless they're being insanely stupid and standing completely still for you to spam shotgun blasts into their head.

https://rivalsmeta.com/team-comps

Third. Rhymes with "turd". Because 3H is crap.

It melts when countered with proper 2/2/2 or 3D.

It is what it is, my guy. You're having issues with a certain composition because the team is not countering it properly. Did you expect to stay on one character the whole match, or?

That last bit makes no sense because I mostly play Rocket, and you are arguing for Rocket because he apparently helps to "shred" through this comp.
Which I have never once seen. I've tried numerous times to help teammates break through immortality ults as Rocket and I have never seen it.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Borko:

Originally posted by Steve:

https://rivalsmeta.com/team-comps

Third. Rhymes with "turd". Because 3H is crap.

It melts when countered with proper 2/2/2 or 3D.

It is what it is, my guy. You're having issues with a certain composition because the team is not countering it properly. Did you expect to stay on one character the whole match, or?

That last bit makes no sense because I mostly play Rocket, and you are arguing for Rocket because he apparently helps to "shred" through this comp.
Which I have never once seen. I've tried numerous times to help teammates break through immortality ults as Rocket and I have never seen it.

Well, yeah. You never threw out CYA and teamed up with Bucky/Frank?

Everything dies.