Moon Knight's Ankh Cannot Be Nerfed Fast Enough

[Borko]

Honestly the most bs cheese ability in the entire game.

He throws it at me, shoots a bit and I die in an instant. Even if I react fast enough to destroy it I'm left at about 5% health and anything kills me after. Doesn't matter how quickly I react, I'm still near death afterwards or I flat out die.

Had a match where it was pretty close. Both teams were at 99% but we managed to capture the point and kill everyone after I ulted as Starlord and our Spiderman and me cleared the rest out. It was pretty cool. We both coordinated nicely and managed to fight them off right before it got to 100%.
But it didn't matter.
Their Moon Knight got there in overtime, threw out an Ankh, shot a bit and we both died in about 1.5 seconds and they won. Absolutely ridiculous.

The rest of his kit is fine. This one thing is absolutely stupid and it does WAY too much damage. If you're a squishy character and he throws one at you and left clicks, you have no chance, you're dead.

[LDvergil]

Originally posted by amerika*:

To preface my response, I don't think Moon Knight or his Ankh is overpowered. I simply think it's not fun to play against and should be adjusted so that he's a better character in general for players and he's also more fun to fight against.

It should have a slower travel time and you should be able to shoot it in the air. You can fight a moon knight, and if your back is to a wall, he can throw it above and to the side of you real fast and get damage in on you before you can spin and take it out. Best case is you have almost no HP left even with a very optimal response and he wins the duel. But it wasn't really a duel, he just wins in that scenario every time.

It would be best if the devs went the route I suggested or something similar, and move some of that power back to his base attack or mobility (reduce CD/increase speed etc.). Then he wouldn't feel pretty mediocre in team fights where the whole team is looking to kill the Ankh ASAP and would be a better character.

his ankhs are most defo OP, it deletes anyone even with a decent response.

[Roland]

Originally posted by Hollow Listerine:

Originally posted by Roland:

Star-Lord, Storm, Peni, Strange, Venom, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Dagger, Warlock, Luna, Moonknight; not a single one of them can 1 tap an Ankh with their basic attack.

Idk who you think you're trying to fool, but I play a lot of characters and I actually focus the Ankhs when I see them. I know for a fact that a large portion of the roster does not 1 tap them.

And I think Hela, Hawkeye, and Squirrel Girl all need a nerf actually; as well as Jeff not being able to drag a whole team off the map or grab people 30 feet off the ground.

You're wrong on literally every count.

You are the type of guy who call out other people opinion wrong just because you dont agree,

??? it's not an opinion though, it's a fact.

Originally posted by Hollow Listerine:

Many tanks and dps cant destroy moon knights anks with a simple 1-2 taps and i have tested this many times with many characters.

You are correct, they cannot.
I don't know why you argued with me, just to agree with me...

Some can with 2 taps, but many take more than that. Hence why I said most characters can't 1 tap them. I can only think of maybe 4 characters that actually can: Hawkeye, Hulk, SG, and maybe Hela(?).

So that's 3 or 4 that can, versus the 11 I listed that cannot 1 tap them. Do you see now why I said most characters cannot 1-tap them?

And every character I listed in my previous reply that I said can't 1 tap them, I actually play often. I don't need to test ♥♥♥♥, I live it.

Also, it's spelled ankh. there's an H on the end.

Also also when Steam puts a red line under a word, you are spelling that word wrong; that's why there is a red line under 'ank' every time you typed it.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by Hollow Listerine:

Yes they can one tap the anhks ,people who complain about moon knight probably think wanda ,hela and Hawkeye damage is okay

Star-Lord, Storm, Peni, Strange, Venom, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Dagger, Warlock, Luna, Moonknight; not a single one of them can 1 tap an Ankh with their basic attack.

Idk who you think you're trying to fool, but I play a lot of characters and I actually focus the Ankhs when I see them. I know for a fact that a large portion of the roster does not 1 tap them.

And I think Hela, Hawkeye, and Squirrel Girl all need a nerf actually; as well as Jeff not being able to drag a whole team off the map or grab people 30 feet off the ground.

You're wrong on literally every count.

just checked. star lord does 75 damage in less than a second, peni was the slowest but she almost 2 shots it. 3 shots takes almost 2 seconds. storm can 2 tap, strange can 1 tap, wolverine takes 3 out of his 4 melee combo which is fast, Iron fist takes a little more than a second, etc etc. Turns out you didnt check these at all.

[Roland]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Originally posted by Roland:

Star-Lord, Storm, Peni, Strange, Venom, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Dagger, Warlock, Luna, Moonknight; not a single one of them can 1 tap an Ankh with their basic attack.

Idk who you think you're trying to fool, but I play a lot of characters and I actually focus the Ankhs when I see them. I know for a fact that a large portion of the roster does not 1 tap them.

And I think Hela, Hawkeye, and Squirrel Girl all need a nerf actually; as well as Jeff not being able to drag a whole team off the map or grab people 30 feet off the ground.

You're wrong on literally every count.

just checked. star lord does 75 damage in less than a second, peni was the slowest but she almost 2 shots it. 3 shots takes almost 2 seconds. storm can 2 tap, strange can 1 tap, wolverine takes 3 out of his 4 melee combo which is fast, Iron fist takes a little more than a second, etc etc. Turns out you didnt check these at all.

Literally everything you listed except Strange is not a 1 tap. I said 1 tap, why do you think >1 means 1 tap?

And I don't know why you brought time into this when no one else was talking about time; we were talking about the number of times you have to click the mouse/pull the trigger.

Kinda seems like you're just looking for an angle to argue. You picked the wrong guy to try it with and I'll just block and move on.

p.s:
Also Star-Lord's damage output speed varies by framerate.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

just checked. star lord does 75 damage in less than a second, peni was the slowest but she almost 2 shots it. 3 shots takes almost 2 seconds. storm can 2 tap, strange can 1 tap, wolverine takes 3 out of his 4 melee combo which is fast, Iron fist takes a little more than a second, etc etc. Turns out you didnt check these at all.

Literally everything you listed except Strange is not a 1 tap. I said 1 tap, why do you think >1 means 1 tap?

And I don't know why you brought time into this when no one else was talking about time; we were talking about the number of times you have to click the mouse/pull the trigger.

Kinda seems like you're just looking for an angle to argue. You picked the wrong guy to try it with and I'll just block and move on.

p.s:
Also Star-Lord's damage output speed varies by framerate.

I know what one tap means. Im pointing out that the TTK (time to kill) for ankhs is VERY low and if you have a problem killing them or moving out of their range quickly then its an aim or reaction problem. Not the game.

Edit:

block me and move on? go ahead, you already got laughed out of your last topic. delusions of grandeur on this self important prick here

[Skillissue.exe]

Originally posted by Hollow Listerine:

How can you complain about his Ankh when you can literally one tap it instantly while other turrets like racoon,namor,punisher and loki are very hard to break?Not to mention there is so many broken characters in game but moon knight?

Also the fact you have to be stood in its radius for it to ricochet to you

[OMEGA]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by Borko:

Not every character can one shot it.

And in fact MOST characters cannot, and require a minimum of 2-3 shots.

Originally posted by OMEGA:

im the strange

Dawg for the love of- Learn to use the mutha ♥♥♥♥♥♥ edit button.

Replying 5 times in a row in such a short period is literally spamming, which is reportable, and while they are unlikely to ban for it they will give you a warning and delete your replies. Just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ edit.

why do you care

[Lord Morgoroth]

Originally posted by Borko:

Yeah this is suuuuuuuuper fair, huh?:
https://imgur.com/a/CvsKDsr
There's no time to react. No time to destroy it, no time to get out of there. I'm dead in like a second. Impossible to get out of that. Even if I had dashed I still would have died because it bounces between teammates, and if I turned to destroy it I still would have died. There is no scenario in this situation where I live.

"Looks like you just got outplayed, that Moon Knight was just good, cope, seethe and mald you're just salty cuz you suck".
This is every Moon Knight. The character is ridiculous. His gameplay loop is just throwing out an Ankh at people, right clicking and then left clicking it and they die in a second. Repeat for the rest of the match. Outside of that just continuously spam and plop ult down on a group of people and near instantly kill them all because it activates so fast, and if you're in it when it goes off and not a Vanguard you are immediately dead.

okay here's a few ways you could've countered it as cloak and dagger:
1.right click and go out of the ankh's range. That's litterally all you have to do
2. react a bit faster than a damn frog to the glowing circle that just appeared and don't move further into moon knight's line of sight. (if you retreated, moon knight wouldn't have landed his right click and you would have survived)

Moon knight is a punish character he's designed to capitalise on peoples mistakes and you made a lot of them:
1. You are way too far in the backline allowing moon knight to pick you of uncontested. If you were closer to the rest of your team, moon knight would've had to take a less advantageous angle and would've gotten folded by the rest of your team even if he succeeded in killing you.
2. Why are you in cloak form, you're supposed to be in dagger form most of the time unless you're already getting harrased.

And if you're the rocket you have zero excuse:
1. he has 2 dashes. Maybe you should, you know, use them.
2. see number two for cloak

and here's some of the rockets mistakes:
1. see cloak mistake 1


You knew the team had 6 players and that there were only 5 near the point. If this happend further into the game you also would've known they had a moon knight.

You had every reason to expect a suprise attack and every chance to prepare beforehand. You didn't and died because of it. Don't try calling the character designed to punish bad positioning OP, when your positioning is worse than ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ quickplay bots.

In conclusion: Don't blame the game for your severe skill issue.

[[JRE] Joe Rogan]

He pairs extremely well with Groot, strange, Namor and Cloak and Dagger IMO. Really good team and then whatever for last one.

He's lowkey meta in this team because they have amazing synergies but on his own he won't be the greatest. Especially into dive teams, he is good against pokes as well but it's not like he'll be able to beat Hela or Hawkeye from far away typically unless they are dumb and get busted by an Ankh.

Overall he's high tier but there's def DPS that are better than him and I find him well balanced with clear weaknesses being losing to dive characters like Iron Fist, Spiderman, Panther, Psyloche and even Venom will do good on him if he's played well. Moon Knight does not want to waste an ankh defensively and even when you do you can still lose the fight since its much easier to avoid in these close ranges instead of when moon knight is controlling your positioning from far away.

[TheSaint]

His ankh is basically all he has. His hook is much less range than you would assume so it sucks. His glide is slow so it sucks. His ultimate is garbage. If any DPS or tank gets close he's dead. Other ranged DPS outclass him in 1v1 because his projectiles are slower. The ankh is really the WHOLE kit. If his ankh gets nerfed it's a death sentence for the character model. He might as well be taken out of the game at that point.

[Milkie]

I can see Moon Knight's damage taking a slight hit sometime in the future. The damage output he can achieve is actually pretty crazy. I don't exactly see it as being a big priority change or anything though.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Milkie:

I can see Moon Knight's damage taking a slight hit sometime in the future. The damage output he can achieve is actually pretty crazy. I don't exactly see it as being a big priority change or anything though.

hawkeye still out here two body shotting dps with random arrows around walls or getting 1 hit headshots and we are worried about moonknight who requires good positioning, cooldowns to be up, and the enemy team to not pay attention to be valuable? hmmmm

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[Roguebiscuit]

Originally posted by DragynDance:

Originally posted by Borko:

Not every character can one shot it.
By the time you destroy it, it's already done a ton of damage to you. Many times I'll IMMEDIATELY turn to attack it the moment I see it land near me, but I've already lost like 150 health by then. No my reaction time doesn't suck, he throws it and immediately left clicks and you take a ton of damage.

The ankh has a 12 second cooldown, is a projectile with travel time, and a single left click ricocheting off the ankh won't one tap. For moon knight to get a kill on a 250 health hero, he either has to do a right click and a left click on the ankh after it lands, or he has to headshot the hero while they're standing in an ankh twice. Ricochets can't headshot, and it'll ricochet an extra time if he attacks the hero instead of the ankh. People can kill the ankhs instantly, I've played against teams who do, to the point where the only time I can even make use of them is if I throw the ankh and immedietly throw a right click so that they hit the ground at the same time. And when I go against moon knight, since I play him so much, it's fairly easy for me to deal with him too. All of moon knights attacks are slow moving projectiles with travel time. If you aren't dealing with it fast enough, thats just the thing, you need to get better at dealing with it fast enough.

his attacks are hitscan bro

[HaveHimExecutedASAP]

I think Moon Knights design is impossible to balance without him either being useless or being amazing. He's feast or famine. He can potentially destroy an entire team with his ankh placements, but a bad Moon Knight is pretty useless (but it's hard to not to get value with moon knight unless you're mentally handicapped).

He punishes bad positioning but there so much ♥♥♥♥ going on in this game it's inevitable that he'll good a good ankh placement and kill your squishes instantly at least once in the game.