SPIDERMAN AND MOONKNIGHT RUINED BOTH ENEMY AND ALLIES GAME AT THE SAME TIME.

[huh?]

FOR TLDR: they ruined their enemies bcs they cant be countered. and they ruined teammates bcs you have to pick them if you want to win. no fun allowed.

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from what im looking at:
every nuker ult i know has pros and cons.
its either they deal huge damage but required delay to cast or they are fast to cast but deal normal damage. the one that deal a lot of damage but requires delay often need strange portal for surprise attack.

spiderman and moonknight has neither. they can just 1 tap and get instant triple kills at minimum without issue, unlike magneto and wanda.

problem came when both heroes are already good without any ults to begin with.
spiderman always has a combo to instantly kill at least 1 enemy while moon knight only need his trigger and totem to kill.

not including both of them have abilities to escape easily so having best ultimates that doesnt have any flaw only made them broken bcs there is no counter.

its not the skill issue that i concern bcs both team can pick spiderman and moonknight. its the obligation to have both heroes to win so the only slot available to play for you to pick your favorite heroes is 4 instead of 6 and they are often only for tanks and healers. less to no room for another dps.

it really killed the fun bcs you can only pick 2 options, do you wanna have fun or do you wanna win bcs you cant have both apparently. you have to kill the fun by spamming moon knight and spiderman or you will lose.

[Arthur Morrigan]

Not really.