Remove controller players from PC lobbies

[45ay3asdasd]

Controller players should not be matched with mouse+keyboard players in ranked. They should be matched with console players.

Controller players are much worse than mouse keyboard players, they choose to use a worse method of playing the game so other teammates have to try harder to carry on them.

Keep them in quick match only or match them against console players only

[Mitrovarr]

I think it would be too easy to fake/spoof this and cheat by taking a mouse and KB into console competitive.

Making M+KB mimic a gamepad is ancient tech, pretty well developed.

[45ay3asdasd]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

I think it would be too easy to fake/spoof this and cheat by taking a mouse and KB into console competitive.

Making M+KB mimic a gamepad is ancient tech, pretty well developed.

They detect and ban the input emulators already. People were doing that to get controller aim assist on mouse+keyboard. Aka cheating. Like you said it's ancient tech and probably easy to detect.

[sylvalee]

No

[Hozeb]

Originally posted by 45ay3asdasd:

Controller players should not be matched with mouse+keyboard players in ranked. They should be matched with console players.

Controller players are much worse than mouse keyboard players, they choose to use a worse method of playing the game so other teammates have to try harder to carry on them.

Keep them in quick match only or match them against console players only

I dont know about you but i havent met a SINGLE person on a controller in my ranked games. Dont know where youre coming from.

[LegPuller]

Console players are only queued with you in quick-play. Competitive is only PC. If they're on PC using a controller they are still queued with you in comp.

[Purple Monkey]

Originally posted by 45ay3asdasd:

Controller players should not be matched with mouse+keyboard players in ranked. They should be matched with console players.

Controller players are much worse than mouse keyboard players, they choose to use a worse method of playing the game so other teammates have to try harder to carry on them.

Keep them in quick match only or match them against console players only

You just described ranked mode, genius.

[LegPuller]

They mean people that are still on the PC platform using a controller. OP is suggesting putting them on console ranked.

This isn't a good idea cause someone with an insane rig could use a controller, and get much better performance than a console player. In a competitive game when it's supposed to be fair, when half the lobby is capped at 60fps and playing from a couch, the guy getting 240 fps and low latency from his desk should clap. Obviously there are outliers, but it's best to try and keep the integrity of the ranked mode. PC with PC, console with console.

[Mitrovarr]

Originally posted by LegPuller:

They mean people that are still on the PC platform using a controller. OP is suggesting putting them on console ranked.

This isn't a good idea cause someone with an insane rig could use a controller, and get much better performance than a console player. In a competitive game when it's supposed to be fair, when half the lobby is capped at 60fps and playing from a couch, the guy getting 240 fps and low latency from his desk should clap. Obviously there are outliers, but it's best to try and keep the integrity of the ranked mode. PC with PC, console with console.

I'll point out that you can 100% do that in PC competitive. Some people have amazing rigs, some people have toasters.

[LegPuller]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

Originally posted by LegPuller:

They mean people that are still on the PC platform using a controller. OP is suggesting putting them on console ranked.

This isn't a good idea cause someone with an insane rig could use a controller, and get much better performance than a console player. In a competitive game when it's supposed to be fair, when half the lobby is capped at 60fps and playing from a couch, the guy getting 240 fps and low latency from his desk should clap. Obviously there are outliers, but it's best to try and keep the integrity of the ranked mode. PC with PC, console with console.

I'll point out that you can 100% do that in PC competitive. Some people have amazing rigs, some people have toasters.

Yes, what I described obvious exist in PC comp. It's you're own fault for entering comp with a card that can only net you 60 fps when others have ones that can do 240+. The game shouldn't cap others. Consoles provide an even footing, that's one advantage to them. PC do not. Hence why half the people seem to have frame drops and constant crashing, while others claim nothing.

[45ay3asdasd]

Originally posted by LegPuller:

They mean people that are still on the PC platform using a controller. OP is suggesting putting them on console ranked.

This isn't a good idea cause someone with an insane rig could use a controller, and get much better performance than a console player. In a competitive game when it's supposed to be fair, when half the lobby is capped at 60fps and playing from a couch, the guy getting 240 fps and low latency from his desk should clap. Obviously there are outliers, but it's best to try and keep the integrity of the ranked mode. PC with PC, console with console.

potententially, but no one cares about console players so this isnt a problem.

[Shamalamadingdang]

I use controller on PC. I'm not the worst but I'll never be the best. I do okay and I don't think I've ever been carried to a win. I use:

1) Scarlet Witch
2) Squirrel Girl
3) Magik
4) Thor
5) Luna

Of those, Luna is the most aim intensive but I do pretty good on her. The others are either melee, lock on, or AOE artillery launchers. I've been gaming for a long time, so I have good game sense and positioning. I'd support being grouped with console players. Hell, after having played with Mouse and Keyboard players this whole time, I'd probably stomp in console only ranked lobbies lol.

[Baxxy.Nut]

Originally posted by LegPuller:

They mean people that are still on the PC platform using a controller. OP is suggesting putting them on console ranked.

This isn't a good idea cause someone with an insane rig could use a controller, and get much better performance than a console player. In a competitive game when it's supposed to be fair, when half the lobby is capped at 60fps and playing from a couch, the guy getting 240 fps and low latency from his desk should clap. Obviously there are outliers, but it's best to try and keep the integrity of the ranked mode. PC with PC, console with console.

okay, that argument still goes for PC. Some people are playing on computers that struggle for stable 60fps while others are doing 360+. Point is invalid. Input method is what matters, not frame rate. The entire point of separating console and PC is because controller vs KBM is unfair.

[Roland's 2nd]

OP What you are asking for is Input Based Matchmaking.
I've wanted it since launch. The only way it's going to happen is if people suggest it using the in game suggestion feature and/or the suggestions thing in the Discord. The devs don't check threads here.

For the nay-sayers: It's what Paladins did for the last 10 years. It was quite nice.
And the devs are taking measures to counter input emulators, you can see such if you read the News feed.

For those that want this: use the Suggestions options, because threads here will do nothing except potentially rally other players to do so.

It will take more than a few of us asking for this as it would require them to add extra options to the game that would allow us to select input device for Ranked but block keyboard and mouse input aside from chat. Not to mention the backend work it would require.

[Roland's 2nd]

Originally posted by Hozeb:

Originally posted by 45ay3asdasd:

Controller players should not be matched with mouse+keyboard players in ranked. They should be matched with console players.

Controller players are much worse than mouse keyboard players, they choose to use a worse method of playing the game so other teammates have to try harder to carry on them.

Keep them in quick match only or match them against console players only

I dont know about you but i havent met a SINGLE person on a controller in my ranked games. Dont know where youre coming from.

How often do you spectate your fellow teammates?

There isn't a ton of us out there but we are definitely not alone, and now that the game added code to show the appropriate input prompts when spectating based on the person's input device, it's not hard to find the occasional controller user.

Melee characters, Scarlet Witch, Rocket, Cloak and Dagger, and Moon Knight are all popular choices for controller users.

[Roland's 2nd]

Originally posted by LegPuller:

They mean people that are still on the PC platform using a controller. OP is suggesting putting them on console ranked.

This isn't a good idea cause someone with an insane rig could use a controller, and get much better performance than a console player. In a competitive game when it's supposed to be fair, when half the lobby is capped at 60fps and playing from a couch, the guy getting 240 fps and low latency from his desk should clap. Obviously there are outliers, but it's best to try and keep the integrity of the ranked mode. PC with PC, console with console.

FPS has nothing to do with it at all.
It comes down to what you are trained against. If you are used to fighting mouse users, over time you are going to get faster and and more accurate and increase your sensitivity to keep up.

In season 3 of Paladins I was very briefly in the top 13% for controller queue. When I spent 2 full weeks playing on my Nintendo Switch because I had to RMA my mobo, my Ranking did not decrease, despite the Switch struggling hard with that game and me being used to over 300fps.

I also play tons of games that either don't have proper controller support or like this game don't separate based on input and generally don't have issues keeping up.

FPS does not matter, all that matters is personal skill and stick sensitivity. And this game provides great options for ramp up/acceleration and deadzones as well, something you rarely see in games.