3 supports is bad, stop doing it

[Mitrovarr]

I got another team of idiots throwing on 3 supports, because It'S MeTa.

No it isn't. There are loads of statistics showing it's worse than 2-2-2 and 1-3-2. Furthermore, two additional things:

1. It's a specific comp, not just running three random-ass supports along with whatever else.
2. You're not GM, you can't run very special comps like this successfully, you're just going to lose the game for your team trying this out.

[Terotrous]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mitrovarr:

Statistics show that 1-3-2 actually is the second best comp, and is only slightly worse than 2-2-2.

I feel like 1-3-2 and 2-2-2 are almost interchangeable honestly.

1-2-3 is certainly a viable comp at all levels, and begins to outperform 1-3-2 at Celestial. It's worth noting that it never surpasses 2-2-2 though.

So is it the only viable meta comp? Absolutely not. Is it a viable comp that you need to know how to deal with? Absolutely.

[doofus0510]

even if the statistics are wrong or right, it's still not fun to play against, hearing "us against the world", "it's time to put on a show", or uh i forgot the mantis voiceline. just fills me with boredom as i now have to wait 12 seconds to do any meaningful damage

[Esper-ame]

Obvs 3 healer performs when those three healers understand why the comp is so good.

Luna, Loki, Susan/C&D

But the Loki is copying dps ults instead of luna
But the Luna used their ult at the same time as C&D
But the third healer went rocket

The comp is about cycling "don't die" buttons so the point can never be pushed. That's where it's mostly OP. People who hang on streamers every word and go 3rd healer in sub diamond lobbies and qp are throwing. If the other two healers don't understand what the comp is all about...which is often

All that said, effective 3 healer is miserable to play against and even worse when both teams are doing it. I really hope the mid season characters come with a balance patch. Although season 0 didn't have any balance changes till it was over.

[CaliTurian]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sawblade Shieldslave:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mitrovarr:

Statistics say you're wrong, but in any case we'll never be in a game together so I don't care if you do it.

80% of car accidents are caused by sober drivers
20% by drunk drivers
should we all drink and drive now because the stats say its safer?

Based fallacy enjoyer.

[Nosgoth]

it depends on map actually what you pick.

[BIG D' williamson from mBHS]

I'm GM1. 1-2-3 is a viable comp, but requires basic coordination (i.e. not ult stacking) that most golds for example do not have. It also requires that Luna & Cloak not be banned at the same time. Something that happens a lot at D2+.

You can also run 2 tanks, Starlord, Adam, Mantis, & Cloak/Luna. However, This comp requires a lot of coordination.

Most of the time 2-2-2 is the better fit for most teams. I play Rocket and Loki a lot though and I find that if you can get your team to actually play Mag, Punisher, Bucky, Rocket, Loki, Cloak (Always Ban Luna) you will crush 90% of comps out there. This is the anti-meta, meta comp. You do one billion damage and can cheese 2 supports ults yourself. It's also a very easy comp to play for everyone except the Loki. This is the "real" triple support comp imo.

[Đюя]

Having 3 defensive ults/2 and a rocket is op, especially if your 3rd support is playing hybrid dps.

I'm guessing it's more of an issue with your elo than the comp itself.

[ℕatas Ҝhan}HvC{2.0]

know whats worse then 3 supports? 2 supports 3 dps and 1 tank because 99% of the time that tank is a freaking captain america who thinks he can tank the fkin world and then the DPS can't hit the broad side of a barn and they're playing hawk eye and black widow and refuse to change, i legit just left a competition round because of idiots like that

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mitrovarr:

Statistics show that 1-3-2 actually is the second best comp, and is only slightly worse than 2-2-2.

Yeah, I found that very improbable as well, but apparently that's what the numbers say.

I should link to the stat page - it's here. I don't know how accurate it is but I have no reason to doubt it.

https://rivalsmeta.com/team-comps

as for those 70k matches i'd go so far to say that 30k of them are probably hacking DPS. so don't go by those numbers.

[THAT Guy]

ever stopped to consider that some people knowingly do it intentionally just to troll and torment others, and by making threads compaining about it only encourages them to do it even more..

It's a pretty good way to have fun while intentionally deflating your win rate in order to exploit the matchmaking

[Good Ass Purple Trappuccino]

Honestly this 3 support meta initially kinda bummed me out, but I think it's overrated. For Luna ult alone there 7 character that can counter her.

1. Iron man
2. Magneto
3. Scarlet witch
4. Punisher

5.Namor (If damaged boosted, even the outer rings will insta kill)

6.Magik (apparently, in her ult if you charge shot than cancel animation uppercut she will kill luna, high skill ceiling though)

7. Peni parker (mines stack)

8. Moonknight

So same old same old, simply counterpick and farm, yet people, particularly streamers like Bogur2 and necros like to cry and call nerfs for these characters. They also love to throw around key terms like "boring" or "not fun" to purposely greenlight there audience into spamming this opinion on every forum they go on. It's npc-tier copy and pasted parroting at best, and intentionally disingenuous at worst. I don't think it's simply a coincidence that the loudest people are dps mains. 3 support meta is making this game boring. Definitely not you refusing to think outside the box or expand your comfort zone. It's especially not the fact that you've been spam ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ your dopamine diseased brain on one game with a meager 2 month life span. (Technically longer if you played alpha or beta, which funny enough alot of these streamer have done too.) Lets not pretend like the healing while powerful, isn't uncalled for either. With the mashing of enough buttons plenty of dps can absolutely evaporate healthbars in mere seconds. Blindly screaming to the daddy devs instead of outwitting your opponent is just unbecoming of a gamer, and I think just blindly calling for nerfs without foresight will just swing the pendulum the other way. Personally I'll say at best nerf cloak & daggers ult charge, cause having auto aim and quick ult build up is stupid cracked. Otherwise, provide more dps with heavy countering burst damage, or even bring in some antiheal. I don't get why people are opposed to that, since the game already has it with Dr. Strange. The feature is there, I could see someone like modok having that, but it's anyone's guess. Ultimately though, whatever the devs decide is entirely on them and them alone. If they want to listen to ecelebs that's their choice, and if the game goes the way of dinosaur, they can only have themselves to blame. I for one won't lose sleep over it. I do love this game and hope for its continued existence with many fun years ahead, but if fun isn't something a dev considers when balancing a video game, then count me out.

[RawwkinGrimmie64]

Triple Strategist CAN be good in low elo with the right players and lineup/opposition. You can not have any randomly m pick C&D, Luna, and Mantis and expect it to work no matter what.

I have lost 1-2-3 and 2-1-3 matches in gold/plat because people think they can pick whatever and have it work.

I have 96 hours as Cloak & Dagger since launch, and I am telling you to STOP FORCING TRIPLE STRAT! Especially in lower ranks and solo queue!

[Doom MD]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mitrovarr:

I got another team of idiots throwing on 3 supports, because It'S MeTa.

No it isn't. There are loads of statistics showing it's worse than 2-2-2 and 1-3-2. Furthermore, two additional things:

1. It's a specific comp, not just running three random-ass supports along with whatever else.
2. You're not GM, you can't run very special comps like this successfully, you're just going to lose the game for your team trying this out.

6 supports is the Patrician’s choice. Prove me wrong. Pro tip: you can’t

[Kyutaru]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RawwkinGrimmie64:

Triple Strategist CAN be good in low elo with the right players and lineup/opposition. You can not have any randomly m pick C&D, Luna, and Mantis and expect it to work no matter what.

I have lost 1-2-3 and 2-1-3 matches in gold/plat because people think they can pick whatever and have it work.

I have 96 hours as Cloak & Dagger since launch, and I am telling you to STOP FORCING TRIPLE STRAT! Especially in lower ranks and solo queue!

People force for the same reason they look to tier lists to know what heroes to play. They want to win more and see these as magic buttons to push for more wins.

[crystalcastles]

Maybe it is stronger on some maps and certain picks / team-ups. I think it's too early to know just by looking at the stats, for all we know a lot of people could be using it wrong. Stats do say that 2-2-2 is currently the biggest winrate, even basing on celestial lobbies (based on the link provided above).

[dragonoftime27]

just for saying that, im always gonna lock as 3rd healer