would a sure kill ultimate be too OP

[JuiceMaker]

im just wondering, say they added Ghost RIder,
they give him an ult that locks down a SINGLE target AND ghost rider into an invincible state
after the animation it executes the target

kinda like an ult thats a guarantee kill but only on 1 target

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

If it's an invincible state, 100%. Scarlet Witch has an insta-kill ult, the difference being it's loud, obvious, and everyone knows to kill her or hide.

If someone was added with a 'This person just dies' ult that has zero counterplay and CAN'T be stopped, it'd be the most unfun way of dying and wouldn't be fair to deal with because then you just instantly lose a teammate and, likely, the following 5v6.

Now, if the rest of their kit is trash, I mean technically it wouldn't be OP? But, still, if the price to 'balance' something like that is making the rest of them awful, it doesn't matter.

[HaramWuKong]

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

If it's an invincible state, 100%. Scarlet Witch has an insta-kill ult, the difference being it's loud, obvious, and everyone knows to kill her or hide.

If someone was added with a 'This person just dies' ult that has zero counterplay and CAN'T be stopped, it'd be the most unfun way of dying and wouldn't be fair to deal with because then you just instantly lose a teammate and, likely, the following 5v6.

Now, if the rest of their kit is trash, I mean technically it wouldn't be OP? But, still, if the price to 'balance' something like that is making the rest of them awful, it doesn't matter.

FUN FACT. scarlet CANNOT instakill everybody. If you have 850hp you will live
examples; (groot 850hp/full health venom + shield ability 900hp)

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Originally posted by HaramWuKong:

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

If it's an invincible state, 100%. Scarlet Witch has an insta-kill ult, the difference being it's loud, obvious, and everyone knows to kill her or hide.

If someone was added with a 'This person just dies' ult that has zero counterplay and CAN'T be stopped, it'd be the most unfun way of dying and wouldn't be fair to deal with because then you just instantly lose a teammate and, likely, the following 5v6.

Now, if the rest of their kit is trash, I mean technically it wouldn't be OP? But, still, if the price to 'balance' something like that is making the rest of them awful, it doesn't matter.

FUN FACT. scarlet CANNOT instakill everybody. If you have 850hp you will live
examples; (groot 850hp/full health venom + shield ability 900hp)

Mkay. FUNCTIONALLY, Scarlet Witch has an ult designed to kill an entire team, it just so happens it doesn't do more than 800 damage.

[Dog_Lance99]

I can see Ghost Rider's Penance Stare working more as a Single Target Lockdown Animation (Akin to what Hulk has), or a unique cone-shaped AoE that Ghost Rider has to stand there (with a similar warning like Scarlet Witch's Ult but not as long) and then he releases it. I think it really depends if they try to make Ghost Rider a Vanguard with more control options or a Duelist with more Damage-Over-Time options, which will lead his Ult to be something that doesn't center around what the rest of his kit does.

[Mitrovarr]

Any ult that allows zero counterplay would feel awful to play into and should never be added.

[Sonrangeri]

Something in lines of Malzahar ult in LoL? Locks down target for moment, but makes him also unable to move during it. You can still kill him to stop ult, but player targeted wouldn't be able to do it alone, as they'd be locked down. Could be good counterpick for enemy divers for example.