EOMM

[Get Out]

So if EOMM is really a thing and we are forced to lose 50% of the matches then...

...How you explain this?

What excuse you have for this? I have 79% win rate on competitive while doing a solo Q. I haven't teamed up with anyone at all. What kind of cope you will come up this time? It's so funny to prove you all wrong in real time.

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[Astraje]

jarvis clown this guy

[Evil Morty]

EOMM doesnt work on RLY good players. I suck so i can see EOMM effects. Especially when i do 1 day pause after a loss.
Still got GM finally.
https://rivalsmeta.com/player/1276365350

Took me 2 weeks from D3 -> GM3

[Get Out]

Originally posted by Haz:

Are you playing solo? Even if you're not, the vast majority of the player experience I have seen (including my own) feels like EOMM.

Yes. I was playing solo. You can check the matches on Tracker, not a single game i had the same teammates.

[plotch]

Originally posted by Get out.:

Originally posted by Mister Zero:

It is the silliest thing ever.

The only people who believe in this nonsense are either gullible fools who believe anything like you said...

Or chumps that can't learn from their mistakes and even think about the fact their win/lose ratio is more their fault than anything else.

Indeed it is. People don't know elementary level of math lol.

Hmmm I wonder what are my odds of winning if the game puts me against players that have the same skill as I am?! Wait 50%? No waaay. lol

You have a 50% chance of winning as a end result... you also have a 50% chance of winning for individual point in a match... i.e a 50/50 of you winning and pushing toward the next point... this is not a case of a single outcome across the length of a match outside of domination.

The majority of matches end up in one sided 1-0, 3-0... meaning they were nowhere near taking the point, nor moving it up while on attack... this is not a case of 50/50 and very much a case of 100% success rate for each point of progression.

If you were talking from the standpoint of a 1v1 game your argument would make sense... in this context it does not.
please do better.

[Get Out]

Originally posted by Evil Morty:

EOMM doesnt work on RLY good players. I suck so i can see EOMM effects. Especially when i do 1 day pause after a loss.
Still got GM finally.
https://rivalsmeta.com/player/1276365350

Took me 2 weeks from D3 -> GM3

Well done.

[Get Out]

Originally posted by plotch:

Originally posted by Get out.:

Indeed it is. People don't know elementary level of math lol.

Hmmm I wonder what are my odds of winning if the game puts me against players that have the same skill as I am?! Wait 50%? No waaay. lol

You have a 50% chance of winning as a end result... you also have a 50% chance of winning for individual point in a match... i.e a 50/50 of you winning and pushing toward the next point... this is not a case of a single outcome across the length of a match outside of domination.

The majority of matches end up in one sided 1-0, 3-0... meaning they were nowhere near taking the point, nor moving it up while on attack... this is not a case of 50/50 and very much a case of 100% success rate for each point of progression.

If you were talking from the standpoint of a 1v1 game your argument would make sense... in this context it does not.
please do better.

I still disagree. After Plat steamrolls were stopped.

[plotch]

Originally posted by Get out.:

Originally posted by plotch:

Congrats on hitting GM.. you have however presented a point that works against you here.
320k concurrent players in a game that relies heavily on team compositions would point toward a high degree of randomness in match results.. meaning a lot more matches would be drawn out and the majority of matches would not result in a 3-0 / 1-0 result.

And yes, the majority of matches result in 3-0 / 1-0... the majority of these one sided games the winning team are primarily on win streaks and the losing team are primarily on losing streaks. (this is easily confirmed by simply playing in the lower ranks and just checking your teams after the match, the majority of players are on constant streaks of 3-4)

Yes, you can brute force a win by simply being more efficient, this however takes a far above average player to do consistently (i.e someone that ends up in the ~1.5 percentile of players).
The average player will not be able to do this but will still maintain a +50% winrate... the below average player absolutely wont be able to do this, meaning they are stuck in a cycle of win and loss streaks.

This is not normal.. what you would expect is a random distribution of drawn out games, one sided wins/losses, draws with streaks being fairly random... but this is not happening.

Thank you.

However you missing a key point here. Steamrolls get less and less frequent the higher you get. As you can see almost all of my Diamond matches were pretty even and fair. 2:1, 3:2 etc... Some of them went for 4 rounds. Steamrolls in lower brackets are more common since better players or just blatant smurfing.

What i am trying to say is, of course everyone can eat you if you are the smallest fish in the ocean, but the bigger you get, less likely gonna happen to you.

If you see rank distributions in games it's always a bell curve.

Also, this problem could be fixed. Remove smurfing and stop seasonal rank resets.

My games between plat and diamond have been relatively fair most of the time.. and i attribute this to the overall skill level evening out the farther you get toward gm and above as you need a fairly high winrate to maintain and climb.
The system will filter out good players based on consistency... this is something you would expect Elo/glicko,trueskill would do from the get go.. but Rivals DOES NOT just purely based off of how LP distributions work.

My entire point in complaining about all of this is that teams are barely ever fairly match made in the lower ranks.. LP holds no accuracy in terms of skill equivalency below diamond and GM.
The entire point of a rating system is to draw a probability of a win or a loss, a matchmaking system uses this to create "fair" matches.. the more matches played the more accurate it gets.

What we have right now is just pure chaos... and then we have rank resets, causing even more chaos.

Everything about how this works points toward it being primarily a time sink made to keep people playing and less about actually make games fair.

I would be ok with this if they were open about it and made it perfectly clear what they were doing... but they aren't.

i also don't want to see this get normalised, there is nothing inherently "good" about something like this when it comes to the players themselves.

[Angelus]

Originally posted by Shifue:

Cause your wrong.

His wrong what?

[Rayman.]

i reached plat solo q. Wasnt eomm suppose to screw me over?

[Get Out]

Originally posted by Rayman.:

i reached plat solo q. Wasnt eomm suppose to screw me over? :wl3rangerstar:

EOMM is like Santa Claus. You know when you are little you believe in it and as you grow up you realize it's not real. Same with EOMM. Once you reach Gold-Plat you realize it's not real lol.

[Rayman.]

Originally posted by Get out.:

Originally posted by Rayman.:

i reached plat solo q. Wasnt eomm suppose to screw me over?

EOMM is like Santa Claus. You know when you are little you believe in it and as you grow up you realize it's not real. Same with EOMM. Once you reach Gold-Plat you realize it's not real lol.

Real.

[Mister Zero]

Originally posted by Get out.:

Originally posted by Rayman.:

i reached plat solo q. Wasnt eomm suppose to screw me over? :wl3rangerstar:

EOMM is like Santa Claus. You know when you are little you believe in it and as you grow up you realize it's not real. Same with EOMM. Once you reach Gold-Plat you realize it's not real lol.

Hmmm...Santa Claus is just the corporate bastardization of Saint Nicholas.

There has to be more of an alagory we could use here with this Eee-ohh-mmm nonsense. :P

[gremi]

Netease realise documents on how EOMM work and how they use it to manipulate outcome of games
ppl : That's BS buddy , that mean shot, it's not rigged

But it's the ones who say it's rigged who are crazy and delusional

[Get Out]

Originally posted by gremi:

Netease realise documents on how EOMM work and how they use it to manipulate outcome of games
ppl : That's BS buddy , that mean shot, it's not rigged

But it's the ones who say it's rigged who are crazy and delusional

Yes because none of you can actually read. None of those documents claim any of the BS y'all are yapping about for days.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by gremi:

Netease realise documents on how EOMM work and how they use it to manipulate outcome of games
ppl : That's BS buddy , that mean shot, it's not rigged

But it's the ones who say it's rigged who are crazy and delusional

Except none of what you think it says is actually what it says. You're just one of many who doesn't understand what's actually written inside and is believing what others tell you it says. Politicians try this all the time. The documents describe a skill-based matchmaking system that is effectively superior to traditional ones because it assigns MMR on a per person basis instead of one singular MMR for yourself. This is because you might be MMR 1400 and lose to someone MMR 1200 but win against someone MMR 1600. This doesn't mean those players are actually good or bad, it just means you matched well against their playstyles.

If Bob always beats Jeff, and Jeff always beats Tom, then why does Tom always beat Bob? Isn't Bob more skilled than Jeff and Tom? No, because good matchmaking is more complex than that and should account for player relationships. Which this matchmaker does.