Should marvel rivals be more competitive like overwatch.

[ndeke]

In my opinion devs shouldn't make rivals competitive in the same sense as ow. The thing is when ow became more competitive and balance we lost a lot fun ♥♥♥♥ in the process.
the game was less bananas and more stale bread as a result.

In ow, the devs added role queue that increase queue times like crazy and made it that you have play roles you dont like. Going from 6v6 to 5v5 was a gun shot in the foot of tank players. Because if the alone tank messes up, his whole team is dead, because there isn't another tank to support the team. So there this consistent pressure for the tank player which like makes tank a miserable class in ow2, which lends problems to the queue times.

With marvel rivals, i like how bananas the game is, there are no boring matches or classes. each character has something broken to keep the game fresh. I think marvel should lean into this more. And because of the lack of queue times, you can play whatever you want.

What do you guys think.

[Saber]

I dont think role queue should be added. Like you said: 1. It would change queue times which is crazy fast at the moment, so it may not affect it much, 2. It limits the characters a person can use in a match and puts pressure on them to perform well in their by being unable to switch. If I was a support main but using dps and saw the support we had underperforming, I couldn't switch to pick up the slack.

I dont want role queue because although role numbers per team can sometimes be 1/4/1 or something like that, you can get so many combinations of roles. Role queue would most likely limit it to 2/2/2 or maybe 1/3/2. That would limit what teams can do in my opinion.

People like this game as it is for now. It may change, but doing something so drastic may cause people to leave. That might further hurt queues on top of role queue times.

[pirate135246]

role queue killed ow

[Hunu]

A role queue would have no affect on the open queue, even if 3/4 of the players stopped open queue.

I really don't understand the resistance to making role queue available for the players that would enjoy it... It's like no one else is allowed to have fun or enjoy themselves.

And

Originally posted by pirate135246:

role queue killed ow

OW still alive, kicking and printing money. Ridiculous take.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

Role Queue isn't needed when you stop solo queuing and make some new friends to play with regularly.

[Hunu]

Originally posted by Saber:

I dont think role queue should be added. Like you said: 1. It would change queue times which is crazy fast at the moment, so it may not affect it much, 2. It limits the characters a person can use in a match and puts pressure on them to perform well in their by being unable to switch. If I was a support main but using dps and saw the support we had underperforming, I couldn't switch to pick up the slack.

I dont want role queue because although role numbers per team can sometimes be 1/4/1 or something like that, you can get so many combinations of roles. Role queue would most likely limit it to 2/2/2 or maybe 1/3/2. That would limit what teams can do in my opinion.

People like this game as it is for now. It may change, but doing something so drastic may cause people to leave. That might further hurt queues on top of role queue times.

Last time I looked at OW they had a 6v6 role queue but basically max 3 in any role and minimum 1, and open picks for each player. Perfectly reasonable way to implement more structured format with opportunity for flexibility in team composition and not even locked into a specific role unless last to pick.

Like with OW, if there is a role queue and they struggle to fill out a certain role, that's really a game design problem. Make the roles that are hard to get players for more fun or rewarding. Can't tell you how night and day it is to play as a support character with a team that works together and picks based on the team/enemy comp than it is to play with 5 main characters who blame you for not being able to keep up with healing or swapping from healing because you're being countered.

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Originally posted by Hunu:

Originally posted by pirate135246:

role queue killed ow

OW still alive, kicking and printing money. Ridiculous take.

Blizzard killed a successful game and Role Queue heavily neutered a major aspect of it.

Now, as for OP: Hard disagree. This game is a Competitive PvP game. You can't make it less competitive without removing ranked. THAT's it.

The core of this game is Competitive. Don't like it? Play against AI.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Marvel Rivals is a competitive game. The goal is to win. Winning is fun. Losing isn't fun. Winning is above having 'fun'. Don't like that? Stick to Bots if you just wanna meme around and have fun. AI doesn't pose an actual challenge as real players do.

Yes, this is a completely blunt and careless take towards your feelings, but the core part of the game is never and should never be reduced. Competitive game.

[Hunu]

Originally posted by Kitt 🌟 Stargazer:

Role Queue isn't needed when you stop solo queuing and make some new friends to play with regularly.

Good job I have friends to play with. Doesn't mean I wouldn't like the option to also more likely enjoy my games when my friends, or whole group isn't available.

I have seen the debate about Role Queue rage since this game launched and I've yet to see a single compelling argument for why there shouldn't be one. Either takes that appear to hinge on "no one but me should have fun" or absolutely off the wall nonsense like:

Originally posted by pirate135246:

role queue killed ow

[Hunu]

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Originally posted by Hunu:

OW still alive, kicking and printing money. Ridiculous take.

Blizzard killed a successful game and Role Queue heavily neutered a major aspect of it.

Now, as for OP: Hard disagree. This game is a Competitive PvP game. You can't make it less competitive without removing ranked. THAT's it.

The core of this game is Competitive. Don't like it? Play against AI.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Marvel Rivals is a competitive game. The goal is to win. Winning is fun. Losing isn't fun. Winning is above having 'fun'. Don't like that? Stick to Bots if you just wanna meme around and have fun. AI doesn't pose an actual challenge as real players do.

Yes, this is a completely blunt and careless take towards your feelings, but the core part of the game is never and should never be reduced. Competitive game. :nakanoAngry:

Open queue still exists in QP and ranked formats for OW.

People who want a role queue in this game understand the trade offs in queue times, even if they complain... That said, as I said above, if a role struggles to attract players then that's a game design problem. Who's surprised most people want to DPS when there are more DPS than vanguard and strategist combined?

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Originally posted by Hunu:

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Blizzard killed a successful game and Role Queue heavily neutered a major aspect of it.

Now, as for OP: Hard disagree. This game is a Competitive PvP game. You can't make it less competitive without removing ranked. THAT's it.

The core of this game is Competitive. Don't like it? Play against AI.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Marvel Rivals is a competitive game. The goal is to win. Winning is fun. Losing isn't fun. Winning is above having 'fun'. Don't like that? Stick to Bots if you just wanna meme around and have fun. AI doesn't pose an actual challenge as real players do.

Yes, this is a completely blunt and careless take towards your feelings, but the core part of the game is never and should never be reduced. Competitive game.

Open queue still exists in QP and ranked formats for OW.

People who want a role queue in this game understand the trade offs in queue times, even if they complain... That said, as I said above, if a role struggles to attract players then that's a game design problem. Who's surprised most people want to DPS when there are more DPS than vanguard and strategist combined?

Because DPS is a lot easier to fill with a Super Hero/Villain roster. Deadpool being a healer ain't happening... uh... er...

LOOK, I DON'T CARE TO REMEMBER MANY MARVEL CHARACTERS, BUT MOST ARE LIKELY DPS!

[Hunu]

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Originally posted by Hunu:

Open queue still exists in QP and ranked formats for OW.

People who want a role queue in this game understand the trade offs in queue times, even if they complain... That said, as I said above, if a role struggles to attract players then that's a game design problem. Who's surprised most people want to DPS when there are more DPS than vanguard and strategist combined?

Because DPS is a lot easier to fill with a Super Hero/Villain roster. Deadpool being a healer ain't happening... uh... er...

LOOK, I DON'T CARE TO REMEMBER MANY MARVEL CHARACTERS, BUT MOST ARE LIKELY DPS! :kasyrraSad:

It's /almost/ like they didn't think all that hard about the format of the game they were trying to produce, just "this is profitable, and with Marvel IP, it will be insanely profitable".

That, or they feel like this is a reasonable roster given OW is nearly identical in that issue and is very clearly what MR is aping.

Perhaps a bit of both.

[FaZe Richard]

Overwhat ?