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gremi Feb 2 @ 10:30am
how to manipulate the matchmaking in your favor
I'm gonna test it but the tecnhique is simple , if you lose 1-2 match after a win streak , close the game and don't play it for 1 day.
The game check why you left the game ( the defeat) and for keeping you playin , it will give you more wins :
i give you 2 videos who will explain everything in detail on why the game is rigged and why this technique can work .

https://youtu.be/C4UBx4cJtRk this one explain the technique , start at 3:36

https://youtu.be/YdLoO3TjE6Y more details on how EOMM work and files from netsae on how they made their matchmaking and , they don't hide it's rigged
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THAT Guy (Banned) Feb 2 @ 2:20pm 
Op, your not wrong in the fact that eomm is highly exploitable. However it's also clear you don't fully understand it either as your "technique" is based in misunderstanding..

Your absolutely right that losing matches works in your benefit with eomm..

The "benefit" of exploiting it only exists in games that have ranked ladders, and can only be utilized to get more favorable match ups making it easier to climb..

How to do it? Go into a casual game mode and throw a bunch of matches, in order to deflate your total win rate average.. then take that deflated win rate into comp..

Eomm is designed to show bias in building matches, whether it works for you or against you is determined by your total average win rate. By keeping it artificially low this forces the bias to treat you more favorably..

This works because the skill rating aspects of EOMM in ranked and casual are seperated.. while the total average win rate is shared across all lobby groups.

As others have pointed out, if people are utilizing this on a large enough scale it will destabilize the matchmaking.. which is ultimately what we need to do in order to purge EOMM from the industry
Originally posted by AAAkaneAAA:
You wouldnt need to register patterns of win loss to form a balanced game and select them at equal skill. Thats done for the churn rat (ie its trying to work out if youre close to giving up or not, ie how frustrated you are)..... how are you not understanding this?

Hey remember when I posted this?:

And no it's considering this exactly because otherwise you can have lose streaks against Grandmasters and Celestials as a Silver. Or the same situation reversed. You ever actually play a competitive game? Of course not. The upper skilled players will walk out of scrims against teams that are not on their level. Do you understand that implication in the context of this discussion?

Guess I got my answer. You don't understand the implication of this in the context of this discussion. Because smurfs exist. Two people can be in the same rank. One person could be hard stuck and the other could be rocketing through in under ten games. Is it sinking in yet?

Edit: Also is why Netease argue that this increases the accuracy of their system but eh we'd need a lot more info to see if that's true or not
Last edited by Paranoia_Inc; Feb 2 @ 2:27pm
gremi Feb 2 @ 2:39pm 
Originally posted by Paranoia_Inc:
LOL yes of course it's selecting teammates and adversaries. Wtf do you think matchmaking is??? Gee wonder if win patterns may factor in to make sure people are within a particular skill range. No, can't be that simple. It has to be much more nefarious. It has to be...Communism.

This kid talking about going back to school proving himself to literally be a Bell Curve graduate

but it's not clear what they means by "selectives teamates and adversaries" is that only the rank or more factors ? we don't know but even if it's only the rank , what about ai renforcment ?
gremi Feb 2 @ 2:43pm 
Originally posted by THAT Guy:
Op, your not wrong in the fact that eomm is highly exploitable. However it's also clear you don't fully understand it either as your "technique" is based in misunderstanding..

Your absolutely right that losing matches works in your benefit with eomm..

The "benefit" of exploiting it only exists in games that have ranked ladders, and can only be utilized to get more favorable match ups making it easier to climb..

How to do it? Go into a casual game mode and throw a bunch of matches, in order to deflate your total win rate average.. then take that deflated win rate into comp..

Eomm is designed to show bias in building matches, whether it works for you or against you is determined by your total average win rate. By keeping it artificially low this forces the bias to treat you more favorably..

This works because the skill rating aspects of EOMM in ranked and casual are seperated.. while the total average win rate is shared across all lobby groups.

As others have pointed out, if people are utilizing this on a large enough scale it will destabilize the matchmaking.. which is ultimately what we need to do in order to purge EOMM from the industry

you can also trick it with low time played heroes , as i said before , the game use your infos on your heroes stats to favor/counter you , but if you play heroes you never play , the matchmaking don't know what to do
Get Out Feb 2 @ 2:45pm 
I watched the second video and read the documents right after. The dude don't even know how Chrono Shields work and claim the wildest ♥♥♥♥ while the documents does not include anything even similar what he is speaking of. Bro y'all are chasing windmills here.
Originally posted by gremi:
but it's not clear what they means by "selectives teamates and adversaries" is that only the rank or more factors ? we don't know but even if it's only the rank , what about ai renforcment ?

It's going to have to narrow down the available pool of teammates and adversaries for a good balance. Remember, hundreds of games could be going on at any moment, with a wide range of skill use, with people that like to switch up heroes and people that stick to their one tricks, old and new players, etc.

I can't really comment on "AI reinforcement" cause there really wasn't a whole lot of information on it. The core of Optmatch is it's a prediction model. I can see how AI would be added on top but dunno what its goal in learning would be. Could just as easily apply to the bots, really. Cause that's where we know there's an AI of sorts already. And sure you can take that as an Aha! EeEeEeEeEeEEvil Netease but how the ♥♥♥♥ is an AI going to make you play more or spend more money? GUess the aforementioned bots easing up or being better to a more tough but rewarding experience could be it. But you still have obligations that may get you off the game or just like the game enough to continue playing regardless. It has no effect on you as a person that makes it more nefarious then what we've seen from gamers for decades now.
Originally posted by Get out.:
I watched the second video and read the documents right after. The dude don't even know how Chrono Shields work and claim the wildest ♥♥♥♥ while the documents does not include anything even similar what he is speaking of. Bro y'all are chasing windmills here.
Read my post
Get Out Feb 2 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by Dev Jonathan:
Originally posted by Get out.:
I watched the second video and read the documents right after. The dude don't even know how Chrono Shields work and claim the wildest ♥♥♥♥ while the documents does not include anything even similar what he is speaking of. Bro y'all are chasing windmills here.
Read my post

I don't know what post you referring to. You keep saying this, I've read all of your posts and nothing substantial.
Originally posted by Get out.:
Originally posted by Dev Jonathan:
Read my post

I don't know what post you referring to. You keep saying this, I've read all of your posts and nothing substantial.
Read the pinned comment on my post. It has evidence of EOMM.
Get Out Feb 2 @ 3:41pm 
Originally posted by Dev Jonathan:
Originally posted by Get out.:

I don't know what post you referring to. You keep saying this, I've read all of your posts and nothing substantial.
Read the pinned comment on my post. It has evidence of EOMM.

As I said I literally read the entire document. It describes a basic matchmaking system that is optimized for fair matches.
Originally posted by Get out.:
Originally posted by Dev Jonathan:
Read the pinned comment on my post. It has evidence of EOMM.

As I said I literally read the entire document. It describes a basic matchmaking system that is optimized for fair matches.
Did you watch the video of them discussing the matchmaking in an official call?
Get Out Feb 2 @ 3:44pm 
Originally posted by Dev Jonathan:
Originally posted by Get out.:

As I said I literally read the entire document. It describes a basic matchmaking system that is optimized for fair matches.
Did you watch the video of them discussing the matchmaking in an official call?

As I said, I watched both videos and I read the entire document. The first guy have a lot of bogus and mentioning some wild things that was never mentioned in the document itself. The second guy is just testing stuff and he is wrong about it.
This feels like superstition.
Originally posted by Tralfamadorable:
This feels like superstition.
Its not
Originally posted by Get out.:
Originally posted by Dev Jonathan:
Did you watch the video of them discussing the matchmaking in an official call?

As I said, I watched both videos and I read the entire document. The first guy have a lot of bogus and mentioning some wild things that was never mentioned in the document itself. The second guy is just testing stuff and he is wrong about it.
No, not these videos. On the Pinned Reply to my post theres a video of an official NeTease cal discussing this
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