So many games are absolutely unwinnable.

[Yappaholic]

Dude insta locks DPS goes 0 13 4k dmg for a 15 minute match. I have 16k dmg. Tank just run straight in and dies every fight. There are so many matches where you load in and literally no matter what you do you just auto-lose because you get people that play like they have brain dmg. And then people say oh you just gotta keep queueing be that 10% difference in the 10% of games you can actually make a difference and then youll climb. I've never played a more depressing game than this. Ranks are absolutely horrendous. Teams feel terribly balanced every match. The other team is teaming ults together while my team can't even hit Q. Sucks. I dunno. Game is fun 5% of the time. The rest it's aboslutely unplayable slaughter. I've never seen a worse ladder system in my life. Even in league of legends I felt like I had a far larger impact on whether or not I won or lost.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

The only way to fix this problem is to rate people not only on their kill score but also how well they play as a team somehow. Perhaps let other people rate you based on a seperate metric for team play. Like how well you made calls, or used your mic to communicate, or switched to a needed role, or made space really well as a tank or something. Somebody could +1 you for group play. Then the matchmaking could not only use your score but your group play score to put you in groups that play well together so people like us arent forced to play with bad players.

Otherwise yes, its a team based game and you have to put up with the fact that your team may suck if you dont play with friends. Thats just the nature of the beast.

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Use voice chat, self evaluate, and understand your stats mean NOTHING. WHEN. YOU. LOSE.

We don't care that you had 16k damage, you lost.

Were the enemy healers being focused? Did you have a Luna, Cloak, and/or Mantis you could try and coordinate with when they have ult? There are tons of questions you need to ask yourself before just saying 'Game bad'.

Sometimes, you are able to do far more than you want to accept. I should know. Self-evaluating took me a while to do.

[Shamalamadingdang]

Most random teams you'll go up against don't do everything well, they do one thing well and that's enough to stomp a team that's doing nothing right. At lower ranks that usually means one of two things

1) They're diving your back line and your team can't/won't stop this from happening.
or
2) They have an Ironman or a Storm and your team can't/won't look up resulting in a Storm going 49 - 4 by the end of the match.

In scenario number 1, I've found that Wolverine helps (if it's cap or venom bothering you). If it's DPS divers, Ironfist or Namor can be a decent counter. Peni is also good because her nest can make your back line MUCH safer. In the event of a number 2, Black Widow or Hawkeye is always a good choice as is Punisher. In this game I've noticed that if one thing works, everything tends to fall into place. The opposite is also true. If the one thing the enemy is doing well gets shut down, they crumble.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Use voice chat, self evaluate, and understand your stats mean NOTHING. WHEN. YOU. LOSE.

We don't care that you had 16k damage, you lost.

Were the enemy healers being focused? Did you have a Luna, Cloak, and/or Mantis you could try and coordinate with when they have ult? There are tons of questions you need to ask yourself before just saying 'Game bad'.

Sometimes, you are able to do far more than you want to accept. I should know. Self-evaluating took me a while to do.

What? Stats are always important regardless of loss. Thats like saying the information you learned wasnt important if your experiment doesnt succeed.

Nah my dude you can still learn alot from the facts and numbers. You can even figure out why you lost. For instance if the dps is low and the healers have more dps numbers than healing numbers you can connect that to the fact that team fights never lasted long and the problem was healing and survivability not actually damage output. The lack of damage was a symptom of a bigger team problem, lack or healing and team play.

Is the problem often that people are worse than they think and they should self evaluate to be better? Obviously. Does that mean stats stop having value or meaning? Absolutely not.

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Use voice chat, self evaluate, and understand your stats mean NOTHING. WHEN. YOU. LOSE.

We don't care that you had 16k damage, you lost.

Were the enemy healers being focused? Did you have a Luna, Cloak, and/or Mantis you could try and coordinate with when they have ult? There are tons of questions you need to ask yourself before just saying 'Game bad'.

Sometimes, you are able to do far more than you want to accept. I should know. Self-evaluating took me a while to do.

What? Stats are always important regardless of loss. Thats like saying the information you learned wasnt important if your experiment doesnt succeed.

Nah my dude you can still learn alot from the facts and numbers. You can even figure out why you lost. For instance if the dps is low and the healers have more dps numbers than healing numbers you can connect that to the fact that team fights never lasted long and the problem was healing and survivability not actually damage output. The lack of damage was a symptom of a bigger team problem, lack or healing and team play.

Is the problem often that people are worse than they think and they should self evaluate to be better? Obviously. Does that mean stats stop having value or meaning? Absolutely not.

When one of the most forefront things is 'I dealt X damage', 'I healed X amount', or 'I have X kills', it makes it appear as though you're just saying 'I did good. I did my job. What about you all?'.

Do stats matter? Yes, but if you have 1,000,000 damage, healing, or kills, does that really matter if you lose?

Anyone can farm damage, farm healing, or farm kills. Doesn't matter if you win or lose.

[Terotrous]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

The only way to fix this problem is to rate people not only on their kill score but also how well they play as a team somehow.

The matchmaker apparently does do something like this.

Plus, if that guy is consistently terrible, he should quickly derank (or you will quickly outrank him), so you should stop getting players that are this atrocious fairly quickly.

If he is not consistently terrible, you should try to identify what caused him to do so poorly. For example, maybe he was getting no value because a healer massively popped off on their team (we had a game like that last night). In that case, you should try to eliminate that healer. A lot of games at low rank involves identifying and dealing with the strong players on the enemy team.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

What? Stats are always important regardless of loss. Thats like saying the information you learned wasnt important if your experiment doesnt succeed.

Nah my dude you can still learn alot from the facts and numbers. You can even figure out why you lost. For instance if the dps is low and the healers have more dps numbers than healing numbers you can connect that to the fact that team fights never lasted long and the problem was healing and survivability not actually damage output. The lack of damage was a symptom of a bigger team problem, lack or healing and team play.

Is the problem often that people are worse than they think and they should self evaluate to be better? Obviously. Does that mean stats stop having value or meaning? Absolutely not.

When one of the most forefront things is 'I dealt X damage', 'I healed X amount', or 'I have X kills', it makes it appear as though you're just saying 'I did good. I did my job. What about you all?'.

Do stats matter? Yes, but if you have 1,000,000 damage, healing, or kills, does that really matter if you lose?

Anyone can farm damage, farm healing, or farm kills. Doesn't matter if you win or lose.

Yes. If you can point to stats that prove you did your job, it usually means you did your job. At high ELO players get high damage, high heals and high damage blocked as tank. Showing these stats can prove you did your job well. Whats the problem?

Yes if you have 1 million damage and you lost then it DOES matter, it proves the problem wasnt damage doesnt it?

What do you thinking farming means, exactly?

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

When one of the most forefront things is 'I dealt X damage', 'I healed X amount', or 'I have X kills', it makes it appear as though you're just saying 'I did good. I did my job. What about you all?'.

Do stats matter? Yes, but if you have 1,000,000 damage, healing, or kills, does that really matter if you lose?

Anyone can farm damage, farm healing, or farm kills. Doesn't matter if you win or lose.

Yes. If you can point to stats that prove you did your job, it usually means you did your job. At high ELO players get high damage, high heals and high damage blocked as tank. Showing these stats can prove you did your job well. Whats the problem?

Yes if you have 1 million damage and you lost then it DOES matter, it proves the problem wasnt damage doesnt it?

What do you thinking farming means, exactly?

'I have 2,568,346 to the power of 263 damage, I did my job!'

My brother in christ, if you just AFK fired at the enemy Groot next to his heath wall while 5 healers topped him off, you just gave the enemy team ults for zero reason.

THAT's why it doesn't matter how much damage was dealt.

Unless we see an actual replay and are trying to nitpick points of improvement, the stats mean nothing. I could have 100k healing in a match and still lose because all I did was heal the tank and nothing else the entire match.

[BennySL]

rigged and boring ? eomm ??

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

I have a near 66% win rate so far while solo queuing. I’d be better if I premade too so there’s that.

[Terotrous]

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

'I have 2,568,346 to the power of 263 damage, I did my job!'

My brother in christ, if you just AFK fired at the enemy Groot next to his heath wall while 5 healers topped him off, you just gave the enemy team ults for zero reason.

THAT's why it doesn't matter how much damage was dealt.

This is irrelevant because it would never happen in a real match.

Like sure, you can imagine a scenario where someone could do a ton of damage but it would be meaningless, but generally speaking in a real match damage does correlate with playing better.

That said, even if you had the best stats on the team in a loss, that doesn't mean you couldn't still have done some things better. Even the pros still make a ton of mistakes. You should still always be thinking about what you could have done to win the match rather than feeling like "well, I did my job".

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Yes. If you can point to stats that prove you did your job, it usually means you did your job. At high ELO players get high damage, high heals and high damage blocked as tank. Showing these stats can prove you did your job well. Whats the problem?

Yes if you have 1 million damage and you lost then it DOES matter, it proves the problem wasnt damage doesnt it?

What do you thinking farming means, exactly?

'I have 2,568,346 to the power of 263 damage, I did my job!'

My brother in christ, if you just AFK fired at the enemy Groot next to his heath wall while 5 healers topped him off, you just gave the enemy team ults for zero reason.

THAT's why it doesn't matter how much damage was dealt.

Unless we see an actual replay and are trying to nitpick points of improvement, the stats mean nothing. I could have 100k healing in a match and still lose because all I did was heal the tank and nothing else the entire match. :nakanoAngry:

so because in some very rare off cases numbers dont perfectly accurately represent how much team affect you have had you decided to jump directly to Numbers and stats dont have meaning?

"You assumed that one part of something has to be applied to all, or other, parts of it; or that the whole must apply to its parts."- https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

'I have 2,568,346 to the power of 263 damage, I did my job!'

My brother in christ, if you just AFK fired at the enemy Groot next to his heath wall while 5 healers topped him off, you just gave the enemy team ults for zero reason.

THAT's why it doesn't matter how much damage was dealt.

This is irrelevant because it would never happen in a real match.

Like sure, you can imagine a scenario where someone could do a ton of damage but it would be meaningless, but generally speaking in a real match damage does correlate with playing better.

That said, even if you had the best stats on the team in a loss, that doesn't mean you couldn't still have done some things better. Even the pros still make a ton of mistakes. You should still always be thinking about what you could have done to win the match rather than feeling like "well, I did my job".

The point still stands. If you have tons of damage and lost, all that means is you likely got the enemy tons of free healer ult charge without actively dealing with the real issue.

Killing the healers.

[Paranoia_Inc]

Really does amaze me how many players out there have so much more time invested into this game than I do but still have yet to understand the core necessity to winning:

Originally posted by Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Killing the healers. :kasyrraSad:

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