Rocket ult needs a buff to keep up with other healers

[digstraightdown72]

his normal abilities aren't that bad but his ult is just so much worse than others

[Johnson]

Publicado originalmente por Phishfood:

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

if you're heal botting the strategists, then you are utilizing the strategists wrong

tell that to the guy who reached grandmaster playing rocket and doing 0 total damage every single match.

Then watch Dafrano play Rocket, made top 10 with rocket doing damage and healing.
The game I watched there was an enemy Punisher and every single time punisher used ult, Rocket dashed in and killed him.
And if he spotted an enemy healer just a little out of position he dived them and killed them.

[Resist]

Publicado originalmente por Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Publicado originalmente por Resist:

Healing ults are so strong, they literally put the game on hold for the duration. There is a reason why at high ranks the meta is 3 support ults.

Healing ults don't need nerfs, but the Terrible Trio of Luna, Cloak and Mantis need to be reviewed. Those three being a required 2-of is the problem.

They are being requiered because of their ults. Rocket and Jeff match them in neutral and are far better than Loki and Sue, yet they are both considered grief picks at GM3 and above, because they don't have healing ults.

The 4 meta healers are Luna, CnD, Mantis and Sue with Loki behind them, due to how powerful healing ults are.

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Publicado originalmente por Resist:

Publicado originalmente por Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Healing ults don't need nerfs, but the Terrible Trio of Luna, Cloak and Mantis need to be reviewed. Those three being a required 2-of is the problem.

They are being requiered because of their ults. Rocket and Jeff match them in neutral and are far better than Loki and Sue, yet they are both considered grief picks at GM3 and above, because they don't have healing ults.

So... my point is correct, then.

[Resist]

Publicado originalmente por Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Publicado originalmente por Resist:

They are being requiered because of their ults. Rocket and Jeff match them in neutral and are far better than Loki and Sue, yet they are both considered grief picks at GM3 and above, because they don't have healing ults.

So... my point is correct, then.

Yes, nerf healing ults.

[fuber]

Publicado originalmente por digstraightdown72:

his normal abilities aren't that bad but his ult is just so much worse than others

25% damage reduction to anyone inside range and 15% healing buff to all healers in range

[Terotrous]

Rocket Ult is fine, it's the other support ults that are the problem. I would probably suggest the following changes:

Luna Snow:

Either healing output decreased by 30% or the healing doesn't apply to Luna herself (so killing her to shut down the ult becomes a viable option).

Mantis:

Mantis's ult is the least problematic because it doesn't last super long, though it could probably have its duration reduced by another second if it remains problematic.

Cloak and Dagger:

The problem with this ult is that its cost is way too low. It costs 3400 while the other support ults are 4000, so it's just up way too often. It also needs to cost 4000, but can probably maintain its current power.

Invisible Woman:

This ult shouldn't heal at all. It already does a ton of stuff and doesn't also need to make the team invincible.


Realistically I don't think these should be that controversial at this point. Like I main healer and even I can recognize that there's way too much invincibility in the game. Pretty much the entire game revolves around these ults because there's very little counterplay available.

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Publicado originalmente por Terotrous:

Rocket Ult is fine, it's the other support ults that are the problem. I would probably suggest the following changes:

Luna Snow:

Either healing output decreased by 30% or the healing doesn't apply to Luna herself (so killing her to shut down the ult becomes a viable option).

Mantis:

Mantis's ult is the least problematic because it doesn't last super long, though it could probably have its duration reduced by another second if it remains problematic.

Cloak and Dagger:

The problem with this ult is that its cost is way too low. It costs 3400 while the other support ults are 4000, so it's just up way too often. It also needs to cost 4000, but can probably maintain its current power.

Invisible Woman:

This ult shouldn't heal at all. It already does a ton of stuff and doesn't also need to make the team invincible.

Luna Snow - Option one is a bit extreme, maybe tone it to 15-20% first and go from there. The second, however, makes the ult absolutely garbage because it relies on ANOTHER person to pocket her.

Mantis - As it stands, her ults pretty fine. Compared to the others, it's biggest fault is just being... a bit reasonable.

Cloak - Cost should absolutely go up, she is one of the easiest supports to get ult with.

Invisible Woman - I have yet to hear she is a problem or see her as often as the Terrible Trio.

Reminder: Adam has one of, if not, the LONGEST ult chargeup costs that has a CAST TIME that gets COMPLETELY shut down if he is killed mid-cast. It isn't even a good revive because it relies on another healer being ready and waiting with ult or strong AoE healing or for Adam to not have used his cooldowns during the fight that lead to this, basically throwing the fight.

[Terotrous]

Publicado originalmente por Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Luna Snow - Option one is a bit extreme, maybe tone it to 15-20% first and go from there. The second, however, makes the ult absolutely garbage because it relies on ANOTHER person to pocket her.

I don't think it's as weak as you think. She still has significantly boosted movement speed, and the ult has a ton of range, so she can dance around in the backline to dodge. It's also not especially tough for the rest of the team to put healing or Magneto's bubble on her. Keep in mind, killing her if the ult is used poorly is supposed to be possible.

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Mantis - As it stands, her ults pretty fine. Compared to the others, it's biggest fault is just being... a bit reasonable.

Yeah, Mantis ult is potentially ok, it's just that if everyone else gets nerfed, Mantis will immediately be the best, so she might need a small reduction.

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Invisible Woman - I have yet to hear she is a problem or see her as often as the Terrible Trio.

Don't know what to tell you here, she's definitely also pretty common and her ult arguably stops the game even more than any other, since it creates the zone which is basically just a red "don't go here" flag. Not only will you be slow as crap if you go inside, you also can't possibly kill anyone in there anyway since they're getting massive healing. I think removing the healing would be an interesting option because going inside would still be risky but at least it wouldn't be suicide.

[CoronaChan]

Publicado originalmente por Phishfood:

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

if you're heal botting the strategists, then you are utilizing the strategists wrong

tell that to the guy who reached grandmaster playing rocket and doing 0 total damage every single match.

Correct he is playing strat incorrectly and relying on his team to carry him. He is only 60% effective so he is actively throwing.

[Womens Deodorant]

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

if you're heal botting the strategists, then you are utilizing the strategists wrong

I get what youre saying, but rocket is different. He is really only good for heal botting. That is why every high ranked rocket is a heal bot. His dps just isnt enough.

[Womens Deodorant]

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

if you're heal botting the strategists, then you are utilizing the strategists wrong

I get what youre saying, but rocket is different. He is really only good for heal botting. That is why every high ranked rocket is a heal bot. His dps just isnt enough. In a triple support comp rocket dps is more useful, but with 2 supports you might as well heal bot or just not play rocket at all.

[Womens Deodorant]

Publicado originalmente por Johnson:

Publicado originalmente por Phishfood:

tell that to the guy who reached grandmaster playing rocket and doing 0 total damage every single match.

Then watch Dafrano play Rocket, made top 10 with rocket doing damage and healing.
The game I watched there was an enemy Punisher and every single time punisher used ult, Rocket dashed in and killed him.
And if he spotted an enemy healer just a little out of position he dived them and killed them.

Dafran is not your everyday player lol

[FrostyShock]

Publicado originalmente por Womens Deodorant:

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

if you're heal botting the strategists, then you are utilizing the strategists wrong

I get what youre saying, but rocket is different. He is really only good for heal botting. That is why every high ranked rocket is a heal bot. His dps just isnt enough. In a triple support comp rocket dps is more useful, but with 2 supports you might as well heal bot or just not play rocket at all.

red his abilities, look at his DPS stat. If you think he's only good for healbotting then you're a shaken baby

[Womens Deodorant]

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

Publicado originalmente por Womens Deodorant:

I get what youre saying, but rocket is different. He is really only good for heal botting. That is why every high ranked rocket is a heal bot. His dps just isnt enough. In a triple support comp rocket dps is more useful, but with 2 supports you might as well heal bot or just not play rocket at all.

red his abilities, look at his DPS stat. If you think he's only good for healbotting then you're a shaken baby

Ill 1v1 you on rocket if you want to put this to bed lol

[Terotrous]

The thing is, there's a big difference between saying that Rocket should "mostly heal" vs "never use his gun at all". A typical good Rocket might have only 2000 damage, but have like 5 final blows, because they used a bit of chip damage to finish off wounded targets (literally always worth doing, picks are always huge).