Black widow buff suggestions

[Cursememe]

As we all know black widow kinda sucks and playing most other range dps characters would be a net positive so here is some buff suggestions to make her feel better

She currently does not have a niche to fill and is outclassed in basically every other department compared to other dps so I suggest some passives that can be applied to her attacks

1) She gains anti heal shots, I am not sure how broken this would be but reducing healing when you hit someone would be pretty useful and can be used to wear down a tank in a team fight by landing consistent shots and actual allow you to pick off targets from range without getting outhealed

2) She gains shots that slow down the target and increase dmg of the subsequent shots, this would allow her to likely get a kill with repeated shots and not get outhealed by healers, it should be able to stack and allow you to kill someone if you put enough shots into them

I think having any of the things I mentioned wouldn't make her broken and at the same time make her feel more useful then being worse hawkeye or hela

[Steve]

None. Her kit's fine as it is. Nothing here's designed to be an all-on one-shot character. She's a team-based sniper and plays very well in that role.

The biggest issue I see with Widow is that people seem to think she's WidowMAKER. She is not.

[akqpars]

Giving her anti heal would make her invaluable and popular, especially with cheaters.

Converting her class to specialist, lower dmg+increased fire rate and adding 2 support skill+utility ulti to her kit would be a viable way of change.

[Steve]

I just got done with a match that paired me with BOTH snipers.

The Widow player was the better of the two, because the Widow player played up to Widow's strengths. Widow stayed glued to me (SG) the whole time, and took the finishing shots, just like she's supposed to do. She's an attack carry, if anyone here's familiar with MOBA parlance.

[Dragontoast]

Give her a Widow's Bite stun ability.
WB would add a lot of practical uses that would excuse the fact she is generally worse than other damage picks.

[PVT.Blueberry]

She needs another ability, unlimited ammo and only re chamber after shots. Doing her kick after she shoots should automatically re chamber so don't have to wait and miss combo shot. She should be faster and jump slighter higher to compensate for all the terribly designed structures she cant jump over by 1 cm.

A head shot stun would be interesting. Idk if it would be balanced but it would give her character something

Maybe give her poison damage over time knives for her melee and her ultimate should prevent heals and slow.

[Zopfus]

Black Widow is incredibly good after her Buff !!

She doesn't need any more Buffs, it would just make her unbearable.

An average Player (not this casual Mainstream "Player") with some understanding of the Game can with her incredible help with her.
She is strong at all Ranges, and with Skill she can take on any Close combat fighter her Kicks + Hip fire.
Many People underestimate and/or don't even pay attention to her Hip fire, which plays like a classic Revolver.
She is absolutely good the way she is at the Moment, if you can't handle her - keep your hands off her.

She is a fun, challenging and incredibly worthwhile Character if you can play her.


+ don't forget , this Game is full of Mainstream-Potatoes, who think they can play, because EOMM makes them believe so...

[Cursememe]

The earlier comments say that black widow is good but you can do soo much better with any of the other dps which are like black widow, punisher is better at shooting down flyers,

Hawkeye and hela just have better kits and are more consistent overall, widow is outgunned and out classed compared to either of them

She does have a guranteed close quarter kill combo but most melee assasins have faster 100 to 0 combos and psylocke will kill you before you get a second shot or before you can grapple her

Hela has a get out of jail free card ult an escape tool a stun and hitscan making her infinitely better since hela also has a 2 headshot kill at a much faster rate

Black widow hip fire cant even kill bruce banner on a headshot if damage fall off is applied which is surprisingly not that far

Black widow does not need to one shot headshot, but she definitely needs a niche that makes her have some utility or something cool to make her stand out, at the current rate it is throwing to play black widow, you could argue by showing the best black widow in the world but that is the best one and they would still very likely do a lot better with any of the other hitscan options

[Mitrovarr]

Originally posted by Steve:

None. Her kit's fine as it is. Nothing here's designed to be an all-on one-shot character. She's a team-based sniper and plays very well in that role.

The biggest issue I see with Widow is that people seem to think she's WidowMAKER. She is not.

I mean, she's considered totally useless in high rank and not played at all.

If I had to say what buffs she needs, her kit makes no sense. The kick is stupid and pointless (why are you at melee range with a sniper?), the melee weapons are dumb for the same reason, and she doesn't have any utility to make up for her atrocious damage (and they won't give her more because people are afraid of snipers being good).

I'd probably give her an escape mechanic instead of the kick and maybe some form of utility, like she hits people with tracking darts and then the whole team gets wallhacks of that guy for a while.

Oh yeah, and massively buff the ult.

Oh, and different matchups! Don't encourage teams to run dual sniper, that's a horrible composition! Make it for someone else who makes sense to run with Widow.

[=][=Alduran=][=]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

Originally posted by Steve:

None. Her kit's fine as it is. Nothing here's designed to be an all-on one-shot character. She's a team-based sniper and plays very well in that role.

The biggest issue I see with Widow is that people seem to think she's WidowMAKER. She is not.

I mean, she's considered totally useless in high rank and not played at all.

If I had to say what buffs she needs, her kit makes no sense. The kick is stupid and pointless (why are you at melee range with a sniper?), the melee weapons are dumb for the same reason, and she doesn't have any utility to make up for her atrocious damage (and they won't give her more because people are afraid of snipers being good).

I'd probably give her an escape mechanic instead of the kick and maybe some form of utility, like she hits people with tracking darts and then the whole team gets wallhacks of that guy for a while.

Oh yeah, and massively buff the ult.

Oh, and different matchups! Don't encourage teams to run dual sniper, that's a horrible composition! Make it for someone else who makes sense to run with Widow.

Her escape mechanic is the high jump. But thats pretty useless against many heros. I am pretty good at black widow now and can outplay most mediocre spiderman and psylocke.
But yeah. She need definitely a insta stun ability. Not on her second kick. Most of the time you can't even do your second one because you are dead already.

[OnionKing]

just make her like widowmaker and let everyone whine about it. imo

[Cursememe]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

Originally posted by Steve:

None. Her kit's fine as it is. Nothing here's designed to be an all-on one-shot character. She's a team-based sniper and plays very well in that role.

The biggest issue I see with Widow is that people seem to think she's WidowMAKER. She is not.

I mean, she's considered totally useless in high rank and not played at all.

If I had to say what buffs she needs, her kit makes no sense. The kick is stupid and pointless (why are you at melee range with a sniper?), the melee weapons are dumb for the same reason, and she doesn't have any utility to make up for her atrocious damage (and they won't give her more because people are afraid of snipers being good).

I'd probably give her an escape mechanic instead of the kick and maybe some form of utility, like she hits people with tracking darts and then the whole team gets wallhacks of that guy for a while.

Oh yeah, and massively buff the ult.

Oh, and different matchups! Don't encourage teams to run dual sniper, that's a horrible composition! Make it for someone else who makes sense to run with Widow.

So the melee sticks are basically just there for her kick ability, she has a combo where you do one bodyshot into kick then recast into 2 melee, in any order, if you do 2 melee first you can do the kick then stun into body shot melee, this is very very unreliable and only really works on iron fist if he does not deflect or gain extra health, spiderman escapes before you can get the bodyshot or the melee hits in, psylocke's primary is a shotgun so running up to that is instant death, magik's combo is faster then spiderman and will kill you

The only real utility is that you can do it to mop up fights? but your team is already gunning everyone down at that point so theres no real point, I only got to pull it off consistently if my enemy was a range dps that was dumb enough to engage me close quarters with storm or iron man with not a lot of burst damage which actually allows black widow to win

[Graf Vigah]

get rid of her sticks with piss poor range and this useless ult and give her something to defend herself properly

[Gabe Ate My Zombies]

Add a stun for the first kick that's just long enough to follow up into the second.

Maybe give her some bonus health for landing a kick.

That's it. If you're feeling really spicy give her ult pool anti-heal. Another way to buff her ult would be to increase its damage but also dramatically increase charge time so it one-shots Specialists at full charge.