Need advice from other strategist.

[Clumsybeast]

So i have become a full time strategist, and pretty much am, trying to learn all the heroes who are this class (Mantis as my main), but i am having an issue learning about attacking. When would you say would be a good times to attack, and good times to heal? Cause i am trying to mix it up to where i am helping out more. Though healing is always my main goal ofc. I just feel like i attack at wrong times, when i should be healing, so need help.

[HowlingWolfLord]

I've mainly been playing C&D and Rocket when I play healer, but I've played a few games as Mantis, and her healing/inspiration charges are pretty reliant on her doing damage and getting critical hits(headshots) to recharge quicker.

With that in mind, you should be attacking fairly often as Mantis, but you can't get tunnel vision on chasing the kills, or specific targets, just make sure you're firing into teamfights and getting those critical hits so you can keep generating charges to make sure you're healing as much as possible.

Obviously if you see someone low, and can get the finishing kill, try that, but the biggest thing with support is to not get tunnel vision.

[Space DVAs69]

I typically only attack when Im being attacked or if my team is winning/grouped up or if theres an enemy strategist nearby or if an enemy has low health. Other than those situations, I would not recommend attacking.

[Clumsybeast]

Originally posted by HowlingWolfLord:

I've mainly been playing C&D and Rocket when I play healer, but I've played a few games as Mantis, and her healing/inspiration charges are pretty reliant on her doing damage and getting critical hits(headshots) to recharge quicker.

With that in mind, you should be attacking fairly often as Mantis, but you can't get tunnel vision on chasing the kills, or specific targets, just make sure you're firing into teamfights and getting those critical hits so you can keep generating charges to make sure you're healing as much as possible.

Obviously if you see someone low, and can get the finishing kill, try that, but the biggest thing with support is to not get tunnel vision.

Good advice, thanks.

[Arson]

1st Rule of Thumb: If everyone is at 80% health or more, and aren't actively getting shot at, you can attack. Tanks can take more damage, and often have a shield or equivalent, so they can take a few seconds of extra damage before they need your help.

2nd Rule of Thumb: Only time you should stop healing someone in the middle of a fight, is if you think that using a utility, (Luna snowball, Mantis Sleep, Sue (Invisible Woman) Vortex), or going for a kill, would be more helpful, than guaranteeing someone lives; your teammates can usually survive without 0.5 seconds of healing, but sometimes they NEED you pocketing them to survive. You learn to make that decision correctly, as you play more.
A good way to think about it, is if you think that your decision has an 80% chance of benefiting the team, make that decision.


Sometimes you make a bad play, but that's ok! Just make sure to learn what you can from that situation; maybe you should've healed instead of going for a freeze, or maybe you should've gone for a kill, when you should've healed. The 80% rule is something Emongg, the pro Overwatch player, talks about, when he does VOD reviews for viewers. I've been watching a ton of his videos, he gives great advice on Overwatch, and 99% of it applies to this game too. He posts almost every day, spectating a different viewer's game.

Playlist of Emongg's Spectating Series -> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkrJUpUOl375GCgJdhyUgFlZAz9z-N7bb&si=jA6WLgBuMPH9lm0z

Remember, try not to get tilted at your teammates for making bad plays, nobody is perfect, if people are getting tilted at you, just mute them, it's the best thing you can do for your own gameplay, and emotions; and good luck!

Edit: Formatting and grammar
Side note: I wish the Exclamation Point/Mark "!", didn't look exactly like Lowercase L "l". Look at them side by side "!l"

[BiggieJohn]

I only play Loki in this role, but I basically play him like a dps. If people in front of me get healed so be it. If They are half health or lower sure I will direct my aim a little to the side to heal. Will I turn around to heal you? no. My motto with hero shooters is always be shooting. I play loki long range though so it's likely people will walk in front of me and get heals. Too many people don't shoot enough. I would rather someone have 25% accuracy but 3 times the shots fire than someone with 40% accuracy. I view projectile travel as potential floating dmg/heal.

[TooHigh2Die]

Mantis has insane projectile velocity and damage and she can buff herself and stun enemies. I would say the split should be 60% healing and 40% attacking. Mantis is also one of the better 1v1 chars in the game. If you have a good support teammate you should go on the offensive whenever you can, as this puts ALOT of pressure on the other team.

Dont be afraid to buff your tank, your leading dps, and yourself with her dmg buff and help push the frontlines. You should be targeting backline healers, tanks that are cut off from healers, and dps divers.

If a spiderman or Ironfist comes around this is your moment to sleep them, and get 2 headshots in for an insta kill. Tank keeps pushing your team? SLeep them and help kill them as mantis healing is not instant, you can cast it on a teammate before the fight and they still getting healed 4 seconds later.

It's all about balance, and honestly I find it easier to play cloak and Dagger, as she has aoe heals and can set down healing bubbles so you can switch to dps.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Clumsybeast:

So i have become a full time strategist, and pretty much am, trying to learn all the heroes who are this class (Mantis as my main), but i am having an issue learning about attacking. When would you say would be a good times to attack, and good times to heal? Cause i am trying to mix it up to where i am helping out more. Though healing is always my main goal ofc. I just feel like i attack at wrong times, when i should be healing, so need help.

Depends if you're Main Healer or Off Healer.

For Main Healer it is always best to be in heal mode all the time, and only attack when opportunity permits it -- basically someone is half dead on the enemy team and you switching your focus will finish them off. This is the orthodox strategy for the Main Healer.

If you are playing Off Healer it's the opposite and you will be dealing damage more and then healing your team as needed when someone is dying or getting focused.

Also note, this is Open Queue and not Role Queue. There is nothing stopping you from picking a Support Hero to use mainly as a DPS role. If you have triple support comp this might be very viable to do.

As a general rule (but not absolute rule) if you are playing Rocket or Luna you want to be a Main Healer. If you are playing Dagger or Susan, you can be main or off healer depends. They can do both roles (though Sue is probably better as Off, and Dagger is better as Main). Adam, Mantis, Loki, are better as Off Healer. Jeff is equally good as Main, Off or DPS.


There is no one answer to your question because it really depends on what your team needs and what the enemy team is doing.

[HighLanderPony]

Heal 24/7 by default. Only attack players who threaten you or when your teammates could use the help with damage and they're healthy. And do chores like removing ankhs and whatever.

If you and your DPS get dove, heal your DPS while avoiding damage instead of letting them die while shooting at the diver.

[MisterSmellies]

You don't need to heal you're a strategist not a healer. Feel free to attack all the time. Especially as invisible woman.

[Arson]

Originally posted by BiggieJohn:

I only play Loki in this role, but I basically play him like a dps. If people in front of me get healed so be it. If They are half health or lower sure I will direct my aim a little to the side to heal. Will I turn around to heal you? no. My motto with hero shooters is always be shooting. I play loki long range though so it's likely people will walk in front of me and get heals. Too many people don't shoot enough. I would rather someone have 25% accuracy but 3 times the shots fire than someone with 40% accuracy. I view projectile travel as potential floating dmg/heal.

yeah dont listen to this guy, you should be turning around lmao
the "always shooting" part is good advice though

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

You don't need to heal you're a strategist not a healer. Feel free to attack all the time. Especially as invisible woman.

Terrible advice; you're on the team for the healing, let the DPS do the work (by default).

[MisterSmellies]

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

You don't need to heal you're a strategist not a healer. Feel free to attack all the time. Especially as invisible woman.

Terrible advice; you're on the team for the healing, let the DPS do the work (by default).

You should read the role names

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Terrible advice; you're on the team for the healing, let the DPS do the work (by default).

You should read the role names

You should learn to troll. At least be entertaining.

[MisterSmellies]

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

You should read the role names

You should learn to troll. At least be entertaining.

Do you think it's an accident they named it strategist?

[Midnight]

You focus on healing when the other team applies pressure to your team. So they're pushing or ulting and generally going for a play. In that case you farm headshots off opportunity targets or tanks.

You damage when your team applies pressure to the other team. It's hard to explain, you have to get a feel for how the momentum of the fight is going.

You can also go for a play with your DPS. Say your CnD is with your team and the other team is not actively pushing into you. You're both just poking and trading some damage. Then you see your Psylocke going for a flank. Go with her and attack together. If you secure a kill now is the time to push the other team. If not return immediately to your team.

Also, rememeber that while you can get away with running around spamming shots at people randomly in low ranks. In higher ranks you will get focused and killed instantly. Because out of position isolated support is like a tasty little treat everyone will go for. So it's a very bad habit to form.