If you wanna carry Randoms, Learn to Play Tank

[TooHigh2Die]

That simple, stop locking DPS and Support, those are ez mode roles. Tank is where the real MVP lies, almost every match. Once you master not just one tank, but two tanks (so you can have the 2-2-2 meta) you will carry a lot of average teams.

IMO Stange and Magneto are the strongest solo tanks but boring to play. Groot is a great starter tank, tons of health, learn to wall off people from healers, can create a ton of space/distaction for your team.

Peni is also one of the most slept on tanks, in the domination mode she goes from B tier to S tier. Learning the good spots to lay down your nest will take some time, but once you get good with Peni, she will lead in kills,damage and get you non stop MVP's. Also it never gets old webslinging to the other teams doorway and killing 2-3 people with mines.

Yes, you will still lose playing tanks, but it makes it so much easier when the hardest role and the most important imo (beside the healers) is in your hands, and not some random 10 year old who never plays tank....

[TooHigh2Die]

Publicado originalmente por MisterSmellies:

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

I agree and the person causing the space for your team to play together is the tank....

Shooting teammates in the back with heals is ez, camping a lane with punisher/hawk/hela is ez.

Learning how to play Tank properly though.... not easy

Hulk is so easy to play man

Spamming space is not hard with hulk and often I see new Hulks not using his godly movement but I have seen and I know im not the only one some DUMB hulks as a penni main.

I will say half my games with Hulk he is either Diving straight into the backline while his healer is 200 feet behind him and he dead in 3 seconds. Or he is doing decent and providing shields and not leaving the healers stranded in the backline against spiderman or psylock, and actually popping his ult when it matters instead of instantly getting shredded.

I still think he is one of the least picked tanks because people think of him from the movies and that he will be "Indestructible", than they go against a peni main like me, web him, nest him and send him packing with 3 mines at his ankles.

[MisterSmellies]

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Publicado originalmente por MisterSmellies:

Hulk is so easy to play man

Spamming space is not hard with hulk and often I see new Hulks not using his godly movement but I have seen and I know im not the only one some DUMB hulks as a penni main.

I will say half my games with Hulk he is either Diving straight into the backline while his healer is 200 feet behind him and he dead in 3 seconds. Or he is doing decent and providing shields and not leaving the healers stranded in the backline against spiderman or psylock, and actually popping his ult when it matters instead of instantly getting shredded.

I still think he is one of the least picked tanks because people think of him from the movies and that he will be "Indestructible", than they go against a peni main like me, web him, nest him and send him packing with 3 mines at his ankles.

As Hulk I always find other tanks the easiest to kill.

[TooHigh2Die]

Publicado originalmente por MisterSmellies:

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Spamming space is not hard with hulk and often I see new Hulks not using his godly movement but I have seen and I know im not the only one some DUMB hulks as a penni main.

I will say half my games with Hulk he is either Diving straight into the backline while his healer is 200 feet behind him and he dead in 3 seconds. Or he is doing decent and providing shields and not leaving the healers stranded in the backline against spiderman or psylock, and actually popping his ult when it matters instead of instantly getting shredded.

I still think he is one of the least picked tanks because people think of him from the movies and that he will be "Indestructible", than they go against a peni main like me, web him, nest him and send him packing with 3 mines at his ankles.

As Hulk I always find other tanks the easiest to kill.

bro hulk as solo tank is really not great imo, and peni is a strong counter against him, you prob just been going up against (i see it too) some bad peni, you can always tell when they cant stun you (her webshot) every 5 seconds like the good ones.

[Mochan]

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Publicado originalmente por Mochan:

Your logic is incorrect. DPS and Support are the Hardmode roles, because it's easier to carry on Tank. Support is the hardest. Tank is easy mode for carrying.

IDK I find playing DPS chars like Punisher, Namor, Hawkeye, Hela or even MoonKnight is just simply finding a good camping spot. I have seen numerous domination games from DPS just camping lanes and hitting ez headshots. Dont take much skill imo, as finding Tanks that are not too aggressive, know when to peal back to healers, and can make space for teammates just seems like a lot more work than playing COD.

If carrying with DPS is super easy, then you can easily carry any average team with the DPS role. So why would people bother playing Tank to carry randoms when they can just do it super easily with DPS. By your own admission carrying with DPS is easier, so if you want to carry, play DPS.

[Sonrangeri]

Tank alone can't easily win game if you don't have healer and dps who can actually play game for objective. You could push for objective days, but if nobody else does that same thing, you're still losing.

[TooHigh2Die]

Publicado originalmente por Mochan:

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

IDK I find playing DPS chars like Punisher, Namor, Hawkeye, Hela or even MoonKnight is just simply finding a good camping spot. I have seen numerous domination games from DPS just camping lanes and hitting ez headshots. Dont take much skill imo, as finding Tanks that are not too aggressive, know when to peal back to healers, and can make space for teammates just seems like a lot more work than playing COD.

If carrying with DPS is super easy, then you can easily carry any average team with the DPS role. So why would people bother playing Tank to carry randoms when they can just do it super easily with DPS. By your own admission carrying with DPS is easier, so if you want to carry, play DPS.

70% win rate as storm bro, AOE buffs and a really nasty ultimate is winning me mvp's with ease. Plus she does pierce damage so on those convoy choke points i am melting 3-4 people with one shot, any of you Hulk bro's get close just hit em with the auto aim aoe attack that they buffed to hit 3 times.

She is easily the carry randoms dps now with all her buffs. Even when I lose I will lead in damage and kills and usually have more assists than enemy healers.

[Midnight]

You can carry on every role.

Supports can carry hard in this game. The problem is that carrying on supports is not about just healing but making subtle plays to set up win conditions, counter enemy win conditions, stay alive and enable right targets.

All of which requires good game sense and high APM. And low skilled players won't have the game sense to even know what they're doing wrong. Meanwhile it's blatantly obvious to everyone what DPS is doing wrong.

Staying in the backline just spamming heals is the bare minimum. It's the equivalent of Strange just standing in the main with his shield up thinking he's "tanking".

I wonder how many people noticed Invisible Woman counters Hulk and Wolverine pretty hard. Did you know you can mess up Strange's ult by pushing him out of range? It's the little things like that.

[Sibirian]

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Publicado originalmente por Invader Chimm:

Nuh uh

Speaking as someone who plays mostly Peni and Magneto, heals are crucial. An amazing tank in a team without heals will work less consistently than a team of mid players that get their heals, shields, buffs etc. If you wanna win you need to be equally ready to step in as the second strategist.

Of coarse a Tank needs a healer, but being a good healer is not hard imo. Especially brain dead ones like Luna with her OP ult that gives out 8k healing a game alone.

Shooting teammates in the back in relative safety (not the healers job to be killing divers) is A LOT easier to master than playing Tank.

Would you agree?

spotted the typical gold player, that thinks spamming heal is the way to play...
Being a good healer aka support means to know when the time comes for heal spam and when its time to deal damage to support kills.
Just backline heal spam is way worse then holding up shield 24/7 as strange.
Works in gold, sure but whem you get into Dia or higher, oh boy :)
But what did i expect from a gold peni main..

[TooHigh2Die]

Publicado originalmente por Sibirian:

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Of coarse a Tank needs a healer, but being a good healer is not hard imo. Especially brain dead ones like Luna with her OP ult that gives out 8k healing a game alone.

Shooting teammates in the back in relative safety (not the healers job to be killing divers) is A LOT easier to master than playing Tank.

Would you agree?

spotted the typical gold player, that thinks spamming heal is the way to play...
Being a good healer aka support means to know when the time comes for heal spam and when its time to deal damage to support kills.
Just backline heal spam is way worse then holding up shield 24/7 as strange.
Works in gold, sure but whem you get into Dia or higher, oh boy :)
But what did i expect from a gold peni main..

I main Mantis and Cloak and Dagger and even had a MVP match just a few hours ago where I lead in kills,damage and healing as support, it was not hard. LMK if you want the replay code...

[Midnight]

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Publicado originalmente por Sibirian:

spotted the typical gold player, that thinks spamming heal is the way to play...
Being a good healer aka support means to know when the time comes for heal spam and when its time to deal damage to support kills.
Just backline heal spam is way worse then holding up shield 24/7 as strange.
Works in gold, sure but whem you get into Dia or higher, oh boy :)
But what did i expect from a gold peni main..

I main Mantis and Cloak and Dagger and even had a MVP match just a few hours ago where I lead in kills,damage and healing as support, it was not hard. LMK if you want the replay code...

That means nothing without context.

The best game I had recently as Luna (it was QP too) was with a Loki where we had Thor and Venom on us 24/7 on the second point but were able to survive while healing 4 DPS scattered all over the map. Yes, it was 4 DPS comp against 2-2-2.

Cycling CDs and dueling two tanks while sniping DPS across the point.

In fact I had 3 DPS heavy matches that night. One started as 0-5-1 and won all of them.
Going by the posts on this very forum that should be completely impossible to do as a support.

[Sibirian]

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Publicado originalmente por Sibirian:

spotted the typical gold player, that thinks spamming heal is the way to play...
Being a good healer aka support means to know when the time comes for heal spam and when its time to deal damage to support kills.
Just backline heal spam is way worse then holding up shield 24/7 as strange.
Works in gold, sure but whem you get into Dia or higher, oh boy :)
But what did i expect from a gold peni main..

I main Mantis and Cloak and Dagger and even had a MVP match just a few hours ago where I lead in kills,damage and healing as support, it was not hard. LMK if you want the replay code...

I guess your IGN is like ypur steam name?
Dont wanna break the illusion but getting mvp on support is way2easy in MR.
Sometimes just pressing q is enough (yeah Luna im talking bout you) for mvp.
Supporr here is like support in OW, yeah sure healbotting can win games, in lower ranks, but the higher you get, the more necessary it will be to use your character not just standing backline heal spamming, sorry.
As mantis player, you shpuld know this to well as mantis kit forces you to do more then just heal spamming or your are wasting value on her.

[TooHigh2Die]

Publicado originalmente por Sibirian:

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

I main Mantis and Cloak and Dagger and even had a MVP match just a few hours ago where I lead in kills,damage and healing as support, it was not hard. LMK if you want the replay code...

I guess your IGN is like ypur steam name?
Dont wanna break the illusion but getting mvp on support is way2easy in MR.
Sometimes just pressing q is enough (yeah Luna im talking bout you) for mvp.
Supporr here is like support in OW, yeah sure healbotting can win games, in lower ranks, but the higher you get, the more necessary it will be to use your character not just standing backline heal spamming, sorry.
As mantis player, you shpuld know this to well as mantis kit forces you to do more then just heal spamming or your are wasting value on her.

Yea dude every mantis main knows how to sleep and head shot for an ez kill in 1v1, not hard to do. But landing that magneto ult... not easy when it can go away after too many bullets. Or learning Cap? come on how many GOOD cap players do you know? I maybe see one a WEEK. Yet good healers? They growing on Tree's Mantis style...

[Midnight]

I mean I used Cap to get through Bronze and Silver and I can tell extremely quickly whether my supports are good or not.

Good ones will survive until I can peel them. Bad ones will not.

Good ones will heal me the moment I peak an angle on them. Bad ones will require multiple pings and standing in front of their face.

[Cursememe]

Publicado originalmente por TooHigh2Die:

Publicado originalmente por VoiD:

The third team, any comp of 0 "DPS" has the highest chance of winning, and it's not even close.

Yea been hearing of 3 tank, 3 support meta's in high elo.

I fought those comps before and lets just say that uhhh high levels of team communication is required to break that, some ways involves groot and divers because hawkeye with ult cant dps a tank to death cause of all the healing, the way to beat it is using groot walls to block healers from healing and let someone who knows how to dive kill the healers and since groot walls are blocking the tanks they cannot actually help the healers, also moon knight ult is capable of just shredding any of the healing ults so moon knight is a really good option as well

[Wruce Bayne]

I blay benom. I dive I tak dmg and push all my 19 inches into healers and helas I nut shield I tak more dmg then I gtfo hoping dps on my team weren't playing sleepy joe. If they do (50-50 so far) I lose. Simple as.