Psylocke, the world's loudest and immobile assassin

[Xbye]

I could care less about you whining about her 1-shot combo. At least you have to aim the entire thing, be close, and hope not a single regen or heal gets thrown at the target as you start the combo. No, I don't care about your favorite youtuber/twitchtv personality.

Why does Psylocke's kit seem so incredibly lackluster compared to a huge majority of the duelist (DPS) cast?

Punisher has a hook, a smokebomb, a (broken) turret and can switch between long-range and close-range pressure (shotgun better than psylocke btw) and ultimate you can freely control.

Winter Soldier has 275hp, gets shield every ability they use. They have a hook (stuns), a uppercut (stuns), and an ultimate you can freely control, while also being repeatable.

A large majority of the cast (especially anything that dives) have access to huge traversing abilities that allow you to both enter a fight from afar or escape. As well they often have wall climbing, or double jumping available to them. Even a damn rat (Rocket) healer has the ability to wallclimb (combined with other mobility).

So it's clear the devs aren't strangers to mobility. And yet, Psylocke only has two dashes and a measly 3 sec stealth. Trying to navigate to get to ambush/flank positions is annoying and often limiting unless you want to make noise and waste a (long cd) dash.

That's another thing. My goodness, Psylocke makes so much damn noise. Entering stealth, exiting stealth. This almost borderlines on OW1's initial Sombra release, the world's loudest hacker assassin. Announcing her stealth and unstealth with a giant megaphone.

It's almost impossible to sneak up on anyone with a pair of ears as Psylocke. And a single regen/heal just cancels her combo unless she wants to all-in with another dash in which case she is going to die after that exchange if the team is literally paying attention.

Then to top it off we have Psylocke's ultimate. Okay, super flashy and makes her psuedo invulnerable. For starters, you can't even control who you are attacking, and sometimes you can literally be chasing someone down with it but it refuses to attack them despite them clearly being in the circle. I don't know why this got nerfed, when it was already so easy to counter. Just, literally don't panic, heal, and stand near your team. I think this is literally the only ultimate currently in the game that gets weaker if there are multiple targets in it, which is insane.

TL;DR - Buff psylocke, idc about your favorite youtube/twitchtv personality or your high-rank resume. She's slow, lacks mobility, and literally has an ultimate that gets weaker with more targets in it, and has no control over who it targets.

Honorable mention as well:

The crosshair misalignment with shots the closer targets are is really annoying. It's absolutely bonkers that they made a close-ranged ranged character and didn't seem to think about fixing the crosshair misalignment with shots.

[Sibirian]

Originally posted by Gatita Tiernita:

I just hate how ridiculously long her cooldowns are. If you want to move fast you have to waste them and they take so long to regen. They should make her more like Genji from Overwatch, where killing someone with a dash resets her dash, and her stealth needs to be longer than 3 seconds. She should also be able to climb walls without wasting her valuable dashes.

You know left clicking enemys lower ALL her cooldowns?

[Xbye]

Originally posted by JustKampi:

She has two charges of a pretty long dash on a ridiculously low cooldown as long as you are dealing damage with her primary. Lack of a double jump or wall climb is hardly a problem most of the times.
Her ultimate is fine as is, she can easily kill 1-2 squishies at once with it. also, it gives untargetability, which is a great tool for any flanker.

Spiderman has access to 3 charges of a movement skill combined with wall climbing/double jump.

Venom has access to a movement skill combined with wall climbing (have to check again for double jump).

Both of these divers have very short cooldowns on their movement skills, and they can cover 3 to 4 times the distance a single Psylocke dash. Sure, Psylocke's damages, but that isn't the main issue I was complaining about. I am talking about her mobility (and silence) as an assassin/flanker. She borderline has none.

And no, her ultimate is not fine. She can kill 1 - 2 squishies, if they aren't with their team. If the damage starts getting spread, she's just going to fail and do nothing. Not to mention some of the healers have get out of jail cards among them and there's nothing Psylocke can do about that once her ultimate has started.

She can't move faster than targets can walk away, in which case you will probably reply: "Good".

Meanwhile Storm's ultimate: Moves faster than you, and damages all targets in it instead of just one hit at a time.

Meanwhile everyone's ultimate: Doesn't get weaker when more targets are hit by it.

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by Xbye:

Originally posted by JustKampi:

She has two charges of a pretty long dash on a ridiculously low cooldown as long as you are dealing damage with her primary. Lack of a double jump or wall climb is hardly a problem most of the times.
Her ultimate is fine as is, she can easily kill 1-2 squishies at once with it. also, it gives untargetability, which is a great tool for any flanker.

Spiderman has access to 3 charges of a movement skill combined with wall climbing/double jump.

Venom has access to a movement skill combined with wall climbing (have to check again for double jump).

Both of these divers have very short cooldowns on their movement skills, and they can cover 3 to 4 times the distance a single Psylocke dash. Sure, Psylocke's damages, but that isn't the main issue I was complaining about. I am talking about her mobility (and silence) as an assassin/flanker. She borderline has none.

Ok, she's trash, better email the devs about it. lulw

[Arizona Fruit Punch™]

Legitimately a skill issue. If you want to coom, you need to git gud with her. Otherwise, play one of the noob friendly characters and go 2-19 like 90% of DPS mains.

[zubRA]

Have not played this game a lot at this point, have 12 hours and maybe 7-9 hours I spend playing Psylocke. Honestly love her kit and play style how ever you're right about some aspects. First is mobility. She's good but there is room for improvement. Her dash let you to move and reposition really fast or use it like finish hit. If she receives double jump or wall climbing it will be too much for her. Dash is decent ability but you need to use it when you have to. Only one reasonable buff is increase her running speed but not too much, about 15-20% max otherwise it's too much of a buff. Reduce her steps sound. She walks like hippopotamus like any other character. Don't remove it just reduce so it can be easily covered with other sounds till you get close enough like 10-7m to the target. Her stealth is good but I would make it 3.5 sec not too much but I personally noticed I often need extra half a second to get close enough to the target or get use of it in the situation I am in. In general Psylocke is really good for kill and run/reposition, get cool down on right click and kill again. Her only weakness is that she can't do anything if the entire team is in one place and you cannot focus on one target. Ult is often uncomfortable to use. I would say target 3 players maximum, 4 if there is no tank and some of them is low enough. If there is a tank make sure there is not more than 1 other player in ult in this way you will kill them all 100%. I managed to kill 2 tanks with one ult and combo few times, just with ult, no way you would kill two tanks. Also you need to avoid closed space. Dash upward, E look for target and about activate ult mid air, this way you wouldn't get killed or stunned.

I feel like Psylocke is in the good spot right now. She is quite hard to pull value of her kit and it all depends on map and how other team is playing. In one game I can get over 30 kills because I can catch people who is running around or separate from rest of the team or stays behind. In another game I have 8-10 kills max as there is no way you will kill someone when all 6 players are in one spot. Psylocke is one of the characters that you have to play her in the ways she is supposed to be played, not the way you want, she is not tanky at all even if you can get some additional health. She is not always good in pubs when everyone is stacked together and the gets killed with one aoe ult. She's good when other team is playing positions and supports and some other character stays separate from the rest. Here is time to shine, picking these players like mushrooms.

So as I said Ult is decent and can be left at place where it is. Add extra half second to the stealth, and make her quiet. That is all she needs to be strong and balanced as she is high risk high reward character to play.

I haven't noticed a loud noise when you enter and leave stealth but I will check it out.

[DaylightDemon]

Originally posted by BingusDingus:

She's one of the most mobile characters in the game and can easily assassinate any squishy in moments, she IS the assassin character. The audio doesn't matter much when it's near impossible to tell which direction it's coming from with all the noise around you.

If you play her right she's like a mosquito the enemy team cannot kill.

You can just say that you don't understand her kit and how you're supposed to use it, you don't have to create an exaggerated bible to tell everyone that.

its funny how youre almost perfectly describing black panther, but not psylocke :D

[Lunar Fang]

Originally posted by Xbye:

No, I don't care about your favorite youtuber/twitchtv personality.

At least you have a brain. I hate youtuber/twitchttvs because people lick the ground they walk on as the be all end all and as JackSepticEye (No I don't watch him) said about yotubers and their content ruining youtube, they also ruin games.

That being said. I don't flank on psylocke and I fight with the team and pick people off with the dash as I get them low and I use the stealth mainly as a get away when I dive in and out. Works perfectly fine for me. I don't live by the rule book of youtubers or twitch losers.

[Xbye]

Originally posted by DaylightDemon:

its funny how youre almost perfectly describing black panther, but not psylocke :D

That's what I've been trying to convey but these people are being daft and tunnel visioning because "hurr durr, she alrdi so stron cuz youtuber" non-sense.

She lacks the tools to navigate/traverse the map. And definitely doesn't have a lot of mobility. Blackpanther could in theory kill multiple people while dashing around but Psylocke can't do that. Once you dash, you have to rely on your shots to kill anyone else because if you dash again you've just committed to staying in enemy backlines in which case you're going to die. At least black panther once he's exhausted all his options have the ability to climb up a wall and get behind cover. All I can do is save a dash for dashing behind cover once I've gotten my kill.

As well, this guy saying that audio doesn't matter that much. My brother in christ, I've tried to sneak up on healers and as soon as I go stealth around a wall to sneak behind them they're already looking at me waiting for me to come out of stealth. During large team fights even. It's not that hard. I've played as both Psylocke and healer and I can tell you I've almost never died to a Psylocke sneaking up on me because they make so much damn noise. Literally, borderline Sombra at release in OW1.

Originally posted by Lunar Fang:

At least you have a brain. I hate youtuber/twitchttvs because people lick the ground they walk on as the be all end all and as JackSepticEye (No I don't watch him) said about yotubers and their content ruining youtube, they also ruin games.

That being said. I don't flank on psylocke and I fight with the team and pick people off with the dash as I get them low and I use the stealth mainly as a get away when I dive in and out. Works perfectly fine for me. I don't live by the rule book of youtubers or twitch losers.

I've done both, because sometimes the team is so bad you can't really get to their backline so you have to focus the tank. Problem is that her tank damage, while decent, isn't comparable to the rest of the cast, because that's clearly not her job. She has a great burst to spook a tank, but after that initial right-click you are doing much less DPS than say Punisher to that tank.

It's also pretty crazy how the games fluctuate performance based on the teams you get.

Competent team? I get 10:1 ratios (So like, 50 kills 5 deaths) or at worst 4:1 ratio (40 kills 10 deaths).

No competent team? Struggle to maintain positive KD ratio. She relies heavily on the enemy team being distracted at the front. It's absolutely insane that people will whine at you for not killing their healers.

It's as if people expect you to dive 1v6 into healers that aren't healing anyone at the moment, land a combo through their small hitboxes while moving, hoping the opposing healer doesn't land a single heal, and get a pick.

Also there's a lot of people whining at me even when I get positive KD ratios for not doing enough damage. And I'm like... My guy, I get in and kill things and get out. Why the hell would I be getting lots of damage? I already killed the target.

[Vinnolo]

she is one of the safest divers in the game, with one of the easiest ultimates to use, cant have it all on a single character

[Kharn the Betrayer]

I know this man didn't just say she's worse than Winter Soldier of all characters.

[Xbye]

Originally posted by Vinnolo:

she is one of the safest divers in the game, with one of the easiest ultimates to use, cant have it all on a single character

Safest? That's not accurate at all.

Spiderman (and Venom) are much safer, with Venom being super bulky. Spiderman can kill faster than her while having multiple escapes, while also having an easier (and stronger) ultimate. Spiderman's ultimate doesn't get weaker with more targets.

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

She isn't just good she is amazing. If I feel like I have to carry I pick her and there is a reason. She is amazing at icing healers and dps if you play her correctly. Yes she has to be close to delete someone but you are a flanker so.....

[id795078477]

No, I don't care about your lack of skill.

[StepNemesis]

If she was this bad, I wouldn't see her every game in Plat\Diamond lobby, since people are Metaslave.

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Originally posted by GenjiGirac:

If she was this bad, I wouldn't see her every game in Plat\Diamond lobby, since people are Metaslave.

It's funny you say that:

https://rivalsmeta.com/tier-list

The only DPS in S-tier and A-tier according to the meta-slaves is Storm. Almost all of the tanks are ranked above her, and almost every healer ranked above her.

Magik and Mister Fantastic are ranked much higher above her with higher win-rates as DPS. Black Panther and Wolverine have slightly higher win-rates than her. Yet you barely ever see them in place of Punisher or Winter Soldier.

What's also funny is:
https://rivalsmeta.com/characters/psylocke/leaderboard

If you look at the leaderboard, of public profiles for Psylocke. You can see that the people that most played Psylocke are all mostly scattered. Mostly in platinum, some gold and some diamond.

Meanwhile if you look at Magik:
https://rivalsmeta.com/characters/magik/leaderboard

She's firmly in diamond/platinum.

Here's Mister Fantastic:
https://rivalsmeta.com/characters/mister-fantastic

He's also got a better record than Psylocke.

And so...

You see her every game so it must not be that bad. Yeah sure, but she's also a hot chick (+katana weeb) that a lot of guys are going to want to play. Have you seen her paid skin?

So no. I'm not going to agree that she isn't that bad. She is bad, but tolerable enough that you can do well with her if you can struggle past her flaws.