Unrealistic Women

[General Scavo]

The women in this game are very unrealistic. Fake overblown proportions. Maybe make them resemble real women? The way they are now feels utterly perverted. I want to play as some of the women characters but they really need to be dialed back and stop the stripper clothes and simp aesthetics. Thanks.

[SPRING goober]

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:

Originally posted by i have 2026 vision fear me:

That guy needs to learn about paragraphs

tbh i have had someone in the much younger generation ( z or alpha whatever it was ) that said that 2 sentences were too much to read and that it was too much effort to try and learn how to spell ( try you dont have to spell good just... try )

We might as well go back to hieroglyphics at this point lol.

tbh,i have had someone in the much older generation ((my dad)boomer gen,or whatever it was) tell me that he never read a book in his life after finishing school and that reading was too much of a time waste.

but yeah,we might as well go back to hieroglyphics because it will change nothing because hieroglyphics are just a different type of a writing system

[cayseron]

Originally posted by Daruk64:

Originally posted by cayseron:

reason to call anything woke would be when woke elements of the game makes it for worse experience instead of better.
"woke" as a term (and you can correct me if i am wrong but here you are, this is what i consider "woke", just so that we are on same page) means that it relates to injustice towards A minority. and more specifically its "bad interpretation" of said case.
For example ROOTS is representation of injustice towards black people. its not woke because its not "bad interpretation", its interpretation of bad thing. there is difference. But for example activist who is against abortion because that is murder and murder is wrong who is telling women who want abortion to "off themselves" while not realising the irony of their words and hypocrisy of their actions is "WOKE" because its "BAD PRESENTATION"
reason that is "WOKE" is because of its idiotic execution. When a game have woke elements (and as i explained, when i say woke elements i mean representation of minorities and/or injustice towards them) and its done well, when its there but its not there for singular purpose of shoving it down our throats with a side of "telling us how we must feel about it", then game is good in spite of what people would say "it being woke". BG3 is good example for it. Duergar looking down at gnomes is what in real world would be considered "woke" but it was well written and important part of narrative that made the experience better. City elves in dragon age origins and the concept of slavery in that game is showing lot of discrimination and injustice towards minorities and outright racism yet noone says dragon age origins is "woke" because the way its written is good and these woke elements are in the game to make story better, not to educate player how racism is bad.
and to use veilguard as example again, the fact that 3 games worth of lore depicted elves as one thing and then suddenly veilguard depict them as something else to make it feel more DEI-esque (in that there is more equity between races), so suddenly elven race have black skinned and asian looking elves which does not make sense because at best these characters should be half-elves as black and asian features must come from black and asian human counterparts/parent but no, in veilguard they are all pure elves, just dont think about it. this is what "WOKE" slang/term is targeting. this ilogical writing that breaks immersion and ruins lore for sake of pushing DEI agenda into game.
Another example is antivan crows. Zevran from origins who we know is antivan and was our outlet into the world of antiva and how they operate was killing indiscriminately whoever the target is. he would even kill the person he liked because "no witnesses". Antivan crows kidnap kids and raise them to be cruel killers with no morals and they have no interest in politics, whoever pay the most wins their favor, and they are not above double dipping. (taking money from their target to kill someone else while knowing another antivan crow is already on the field trying to kill them). then suddenly in veilguard Antivan crows are very picky about contracts they take while also acting like vigilantees for the betterment of people and are not only involved into politics, they ARE politics in antiva. You see the sudden shift? you see how "going woke" completely ruined what this group of people used to be just to humanise them. Tevinter was built on slavery, suddenly slavery barely exist. Humans and Elves hate each other for generations, suddenly in veilguard there is no hint of that hate unless we talk about bad guy that needs to be killed who is also always white male human.
does any of this help you understand why hating something for being woke can be valid reason?
EDIT: and for the sake of sanity, can mods close this thread already, it stopped being about marvel rivals 200 comments ago and original poster does nothing but say "SMH" every now and then hoping people will restart the woke ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ instead of discussing the marvel rivals.
legit noone who is still following this thread care to talk about marvel rivals and is just going back and forth about woke and dei (me included :D )

Why can't you just call it a bad representation then what's the point of using a weird buzz word that no one has a exact definition of.

"why cant you just call it bad representation instead woke"... well why do we say something sucks instead of saying it is not good enough, why do we say something is bugged instead of saying it is not functioning properly. stop nittpicking over a word, it has meaning and its used appropriately, thats more than enough. i understand the frustration with "anti-woke" people who use it wrong aka "i dont like this > its woke" instead of using it properly (okay, i am aware there is irony in me saying using "woke" properly when original meaning of woke is past tense of wake) but thats besides the point XD

[cayseron]

Originally posted by i have 2026 vision fear me:

That guy needs to learn about paragraphs

so true. it is a huge problem for me and even when i try and compartmentalise my messages they still look same more or less XD
in my defense english is 4th language i had to learn (though i am aware english not being my main language should not affect my ability to form messages XD )

[Truth Bringer]

Originally posted by cayseron:

Originally posted by i have 2026 vision fear me:

That guy needs to learn about paragraphs

so true. it is a huge problem for me and even when i try and compartmentalise my messages they still look same more or less XD
in my defense english is 4th language i had to learn (though i am aware english not being my main language should not affect my ability to form messages XD )

My god i couldn't imagine knowing 4 language i don't even want to understand what people say in my own language 80% of the time.

[cayseron]

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:

Originally posted by cayseron:

so true. it is a huge problem for me and even when i try and compartmentalise my messages they still look same more or less XD
in my defense english is 4th language i had to learn (though i am aware english not being my main language should not affect my ability to form messages XD )

My god i couldn't imagine knowing 4 language i don't even want to understand what people say in my own language 80% of the time.

i only say 4 cause i dont count japanese and spanish that i picked up from ear alone because i know 0% of their grammar, just compilation of words and sentences :D

[enkidu]

You're such a shero of Wankanda.

[EruWan]

Originally posted by enkidu:

You're such a shero of Wankanda.

ughhhhh disgusting

[sick duck]

Originally posted by Daruk64:

Originally posted by cayseron:

Harding like Karlach have condition where if she touch someone she can turn their brain in the mush because of all the lyrium. details differ but condition is pretty much the same. Now first major difference is that karlach is pansexual because of her condition. Harding is pansexual for sake of being pansexual (like every other character in the game) AND she happens to have this condition. the difference is huge. And then there is Taash who's whole character is nothing but her sexuality. if you remove her sexuality and gender she has no character. that is awful and unacceptable. IF you take away astarions sexuality he is still a vampire spawn who struggles with his identity as a vampire as he tries to feed on animals only and regrets the things he did in the past but in the same time he seeks the power out of fear from his vampire lord so much that his obsession for power makes him look powerhungry and his character always tiptoes the line between obsession with power and seeking redemption. On the other hand if you take Taash sexuality away she is just a dragon slayer who likes dragons. every aspect of taash story outside her sexuality is horribly written. Qunari who denies Qunari's laws and principles for sake of her main character feature which is her rejection of her identity. Dragon slayer who thinks slaying dragons are wrong and even say stupid ♥♥♥♥ like "who does not like dragons"... well i dont know, only all of the human and elven kind who has generational hate for dragons that burned their villages, ate their kettle, killed loves ones, ate friends... it is so clear that whoever wrote taash had no clue how to write a character in its proper setting which is the dragon age universe and is just writing a woke character in a way that would be appealing to kids (in 18+ game ironically). Whole reason for having Taash is to push woke agenda and nothing else. back to harding, unlike karlach if you dont romance harding you cant avoid her romance. you can either romance her or watch her be romanced by taash. That is yet another example of how things are being shoved down your throat. "ok so you dont want to romance taash because you are uncomfortable with her identity, well then here you go watch others do it to make you feel bad for your choices".
BG3 won game of a year because its experience that is positive for everyone and has vast amount of options and ways to play it, including being very evil and game will make you feel evil while doing it and your evil actions will have consequences, even ruining friendships with your companions. Dragon age on other hand failed/flopped/went broke because it has linear storytelling with false promises as if they hope their players are too dumb to realize that dialogue wheel is completely useless and changes nothing (and seeing how stupid and easy the puzzles in DAV are i feel like that is what they hope). and the only story that DAV is trying to tell is that identity is fluid as every character be that companion or NPC has identity crysis. antivan crow assassins are suddenly vigilantees, mage slayer does not slay a single mage, necromancer who is playing with death magic in order to befriend the dead, dragon slayer who loves dragons, elves steer more and more away from nature and embracing artifacts, every qunari with more than 2 lines are either farmers or accountants instead of warriors that they were known for, breaking every little bit of qun they possibly could, generational hate between elves and humans are missing as if all living beings had head trauma and forgot how much they hated each other and how much racism exists in history, even blight was humanized... i can go on and on but if at this point you dont see how vastly different BG3 is from woke games like veilguard then there is no point talking is there?
its as you said, it is supposed to be character building. when there is no character and no building and there is just agenda then its crap.
also this is all kinda irrelevant because there is no character building in marvel rivals, just super heroes and super villains fighting it out

Again the problem is woke doesn't really have a strict meaning, I've seen plenty of people unironically call a game woke. Also seriously I don't get the Concord stuff the most it had was a massive evil corporation, which a lot of games have had. EG Cyberpunk, Final Fantasy 7, Borderlands, Dues Ex, heck technically Bioshock. The only reason people call Concord woke is because it flopped, which is exactly my point.

I don't know what you have seen people call woke, but the person you responded to did a good job spelling out in clear terms the differences between two games and how it makes one woke but the other one not woke. The BG3 and DAV have a whole lot of the same stuff, but BG3 can get away with it because it has player freedom and the options to be morally evil.

[[JRE] Joe Rogan]

Originally posted by EruWan:

Originally posted by enkidu:

You're such a shero of Wankanda.

ughhhhh disgusting

Most hinged Europeans. Americans need to pay attention to the developers of certain games and where they come from. If its Polish dont buy them, they're typically trash games anyway.

European ppl can drop their racism and superiority complex or we can just have more studios close down for them and more unemployed. Not all European populations are bad, but a lot of certain ones are clearly unhinged in their societies. Poland is a great example of one and an economy that desperately relies on the EU and video game development lol.

[Daruk64]

Originally posted by sick duck:

Originally posted by Daruk64:

Again the problem is woke doesn't really have a strict meaning, I've seen plenty of people unironically call a game woke. Also seriously I don't get the Concord stuff the most it had was a massive evil corporation, which a lot of games have had. EG Cyberpunk, Final Fantasy 7, Borderlands, Dues Ex, heck technically Bioshock. The only reason people call Concord woke is because it flopped, which is exactly my point.

I don't know what you have seen people call woke, but the person you responded to did a good job spelling out in clear terms the differences between two games and how it makes one woke but the other one not woke. The BG3 and DAV have a whole lot of the same stuff, but BG3 can get away with it because it has player freedom and the options to be morally evil.

They absolutely did but the problem with the word woke is it's used so much that it has no definition.

[Daruk64]

Originally posted by TalkTV Piers Morgan:

Originally posted by EruWan:

ughhhhh disgusting

Most hinged Europeans. Americans need to pay attention to the developers of certain games and where they come from. If its Polish dont buy them, they're typically trash games anyway.

European ppl can drop their racism and superiority complex or we can just have more studios close down for them and more unemployed. Not all European populations are bad, but a lot of certain ones are clearly unhinged in their societies. Poland is a great example of one and an economy that desperately relies on the EU and video game development lol.

Americans telling other countries off for racism and superiority complexes is very very rich.

[Daruk64]

Originally posted by cayseron:

Originally posted by Daruk64:

Why can't you just call it a bad representation then what's the point of using a weird buzz word that no one has a exact definition of.

"why cant you just call it bad representation instead woke"... well why do we say something sucks instead of saying it is not good enough, why do we say something is bugged instead of saying it is not functioning properly. stop nittpicking over a word, it has meaning and its used appropriately, thats more than enough. i understand the frustration with "anti-woke" people who use it wrong aka "i dont like this > its woke" instead of using it properly (okay, i am aware there is irony in me saying using "woke" properly when original meaning of woke is past tense of wake) but thats besides the point XD

Ok cool I understand now, thank you for being patient.

[Daruk64]

Originally posted by TalkTV Piers Morgan:

Originally posted by EruWan:

ughhhhh disgusting

Most hinged Europeans. Americans need to pay attention to the developers of certain games and where they come from. If its Polish dont buy them, they're typically trash games anyway.

European ppl can drop their racism and superiority complex or we can just have more studios close down for them and more unemployed. Not all European populations are bad, but a lot of certain ones are clearly unhinged in their societies. Poland is a great example of one and an economy that desperately relies on the EU and video game development lol.

The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk were made in Poland, so was the Dying Light series and Frostpunk. Like it's kinda silly writing off video games for were they come from. Also wow Poland relies on the EU, almost like it's historically had either a bad economy or was being invaded.

[sick duck]

Originally posted by Daruk64:

Originally posted by sick duck:

I don't know what you have seen people call woke, but the person you responded to did a good job spelling out in clear terms the differences between two games and how it makes one woke but the other one not woke. The BG3 and DAV have a whole lot of the same stuff, but BG3 can get away with it because it has player freedom and the options to be morally evil.

They absolutely did but the problem with the word woke is it's used so much that it has no definition.

It is pretty much used whenever people see something they consider extreme, which is why so many more accusations of woke are directed at DAV than something like BG3, the witcher 3 or cyberpunk which have so much of the same stuff. There is a world where the transgender character creation of cyberpunk would have stirred up so much negativity, however I guess that issue was overshadowed by the buggy game launch and it was.

[cayseron]

so, on the topic of original post aka unrealistic women, what are some of the female superheroes you all looking forward for in future seasons?
and also a curveball, you think we will ever get goose as character? :D