THIS GAME IS CONTROLLED BY EOMM. BOYCOTT.

[Dev Jonathan]

This game uses "Engagement Optimized Matchmaking" which means that the matchmaking is designed for you to lose a certain amount and then win a certain amount. Ever wonder why you get incompetent teammates for 5 matches of ranked, but then suddenly have a winstreak? And to make it even worse, the game places you against literal AI Bots if you lose 2 more quick play games which ks outrageous. This practice is disgusting and more awareness needs to be placed on this topic.

Edit: This Reddit post has definitive proof of EOMM being used. Before rushing to defend this game make sure you read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/s/0gZXOIkojz

[AAAkaneAAA]

Good work, man and thanks for bringing some sanity to the forums. You quickly learn that when youre facing a corrupt system, youre not only facing said system but the weak minded people who are gullible and foolish enough to defend it at all costs for the protection of the lie which makes them feel better about themselves (of course artificially and shallowly). Spread the word and bring these people down, gamers dont want to be manipulated by egomaniac devs with no real passion for good gaming experiences. Also, call the content creators out for their willingness to blind themselves to this in order to furnish their own income: they're part of the problem as they encourage people to buy into the lie, and so are part of the manipulation of people. The worst thing about it is children can be caught up in this, which is shameful to say the least. I would go beyond that and say its criminally unethical, and the company should be called to account, or have their game banned.

Keep fighting, bring them to their knees.

Publicado originalmente por Dev Jonathan:

Publicado originalmente por Mr.Moose:

yeah and then when you have people ask where is the proof? i tell them this game does not have skill based matchmaking there is your proof.

Ive pinned a reply with definitive proof so peope can no longer deny it

[Swift312]

The OP and the video did not provide any proof of any of the concept/patent being used, as well at what extent they are being used.

There is even schizo patents like changing hitboxes and latency dynamically, which is impossible as it could've been spotted by the players pretty fast.

1) Give good player a new account and he will reach GM with 70%+ winrate, there will be no attempts to give him a team so bad that it's impossible to carry

2) If you deserve to rank up - you will rank up.

3) On the distance, your actual skill and performance is what determines your rank.

Stop coping and git gud

[AAAkaneAAA]

At least hold yourself to the same criteria as you hold others. Firstly, a patented document from the company is proof enough of the nature of the matchmaker. Also, seeing youre so adamant about talking about cope, let me illuminate you as to the substance behind your argument.

1) You're first argument has no evidence to back it. Coping much?
2)That's just an opinion. Again, cope much?
3)This is just your opinon. Why should your opnion matter? Where's the substance which makes it worth the reader's time?

Again, please if youre going to ask for evidence (and, guess what, a patented official document from the Company IS evidence enough), then at least have a modicum of integrity and hold yourself to the same standard. There is a lack of even the basics of critical thinking in what you say. Which, again, shows a hopeless dependency on the system, rather than the ability to rationalise your point of view. All you do is provide more evidence for the bizarrely subservient dependency that the matchmaker controls people like you with. next time you post, try using critical reasoning. Forcing your will is just like having an adult tantrum.

And also 'get gud' is a funny comment coming from someone who really needs to get gud at thinking things through. Its your cope pedestal which isnt really there.

Publicado originalmente por Swift312:

The OP and the video did not provide any proof of any of the concept/patent being used, as well at what extent they are being used.

There is even schizo patents like changing hitboxes and latency dynamically, which is impossible as it could've been spotted by the players pretty fast.

1) Give good player a new account and he will reach GM with 70%+ winrate, there will be no attempts to give him a team so bad that it's impossible to carry

2) If you deserve to rank up - you will rank up.

3) On the distance, your actual skill and performance is what determines your rank.

Stop coping and git gud

[Bannith]

Publicado originalmente por Moogler:

People here not understanding even the fundamentals of what they’re complaining about. This is how Trump won, snowflakes who don’t have a clue but feel entitled to everything.

It would be extremely weird if you didn’t get bad teams after winning multiple games in a row. If you don’t like losing because of random teams, gather your friends and queue up together.

If you play solo, you just have to keep a +50% win rate and grind. It has always been this way, since the very beginning of online ranked matchmaking.

This doesn't make sense? It has nothing to do with trump don't bring that trash energy into a game discussion. As for the bad teammates argument. No.

You should always get teammates and opponents of close to equal skill with minimal deviation based on a system that's evaluated your skill level. Under the assumption this system is there it instead uses that data to manipulate people's win/loss. That's horribly bad for the games balance and means it could literally be doing anything.

Could even have a hidden white list for players it wants to climb and a blacklist for others(High profile streamers etc.). There's a myriad of messed up stuff a system that abuses this kinda thing could do to disrupt the game. If it is true it's manipulating things no one can be confident in their actual skill level because the game determines where you end up.

Which would be a shame because it seems like the data it does use could be pretty effective if it didn't supposedly manipulate things.

[Shelly]

I prefer this system to Overwatch's system where it seemingly puts incompetent people on your team every single match. If EOMM makes the game more fun, which is why I play video games, then I am all for it.

[Tynnyri]

Publicado originalmente por Mitrovarr:

Publicado originalmente por janus0x:

scenario 3: People are able to choose their teammates manually . This scenario has never been applied yet in gaming. Why? same principle as in real life. When you choose, you follow someones past victories or achievements, or simply by friendship or other bias. This makes it even more unbalanced.

This is actually what we had in the old days on privately run servers in games that allowed you to switch teams freely. It didn't work. People would see the good players (everyone knew each other after a while) and would move onto their team during match setup. All the good players would stack one team and the other team would leave so there were never balanced matches.

This did work. It has worked in many games in the past. Sure, most dont want to play against super good players, but neither would most like to sit back, do nothing while the good player kills everyone either.

[Shamalamadingdang]

Publicado originalmente por Shelly:

I prefer this system to Overwatch's system where it seemingly puts incompetent people on your team every single match. If EOMM makes the game more fun, which is why I play video games, then I am all for it.

Look at it this way: If this EOMM system exists in the way we theorize it exists, then you've never actually had a fair game. When you were winning and having fun, it's because an algorithm set you up to win. It's like going to a club and picking up a hot girl and then you realize she was a hooker your buddies paid before hand.

[[FaTx]Acetotheface]

Publicado originalmente por kn1ghtsabre:

You mean that you're upset you can't just constantly stomp people like me who suck every single time because after your win rate gets to high you actually have to fight someone who doesn't suck. Cry me a river...

If you read the post you know thats not what's being said. His point is there is a system of matchmaking implemented that literally keeps you from winning because of your teammates. NGL i played a few games yesterday and im just like... no way i suck bad enough to be on a team with these people. It happens.

[Tygerwolf]

Publicado originalmente por IWMYIYS:

Pure copium. If you're good, you will win matches.

Watch this and wake up bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdLoO3TjE6Y

[Shamalamadingdang]

This thread has gone on long enough that it's worth resetting the discourse a bit. Here's what I understand EOMM to be:

1) The game tracks your stats (win/lose rate)
2) They want you to win from time to time so you keep playing (and buying skins)
3) Matchmaking is not skill based, it's based on strategically giving you wins
4) To give you a win, that means someone else has to lose
5) In order to make sure you win, you will be placed on a team with people who have a higher win rate. The game can also check to see who your best character is and pair you with people who are good with characters that compliment your play style.
6) This means that the other team will be people who have low win rates (or whatever other metric they use to determine competency). Additionally, the other team could be comprised of people who have all of their time in DPS characters (sound familiar? 5 instalock DPS?).
7) By doing this, the game can use data that is available right there on your own profile to stack the deck in your favor or against you.
8) This sucks because you're not playing the game, the game is playing you.

There. None of this is fantastical. None of it would even be hard to do. If this is true, then it also means every minute spent on MR is wasted until they do away with this system. For those who think its pointless to talk about this, don't forget that Sony buckled over PSN accounts for PC Hell Divers 2 players after backlash.

[Fartin' Futa King]

Publicado originalmente por Shamalamadingdang:

This thread has gone on long enough that it's worth resetting the discourse a bit. Here's what I understand EOMM to be:

1) The game tracks your stats (win/lose rate)
2) They want you to win from time to time so you keep playing (and buying skins)
3) Matchmaking is not skill based, it's based on strategically giving you wins
4) To give you a win, that means someone else has to lose
5) In order to make sure you win, you will be placed on a team with people who have a higher win rate. The game can also check to see who your best character is and pair you with people who are good with characters that compliment your play style.
6) This means that the other team will be people who have low win rates (or whatever other metric they use to determine competency). Additionally, the other team could be comprised of people who have all of their time in DPS characters (sound familiar? 5 instalock DPS?).
7) By doing this, the game can use data that is available right there on your own profile to stack the deck in your favor or against you.
8) This sucks because you're not playing the game, the game is playing you.

There. None of this is fantastical. None of it would even be hard to do. If this is true, then it also means every minute spent on MR is wasted until they do away with this system. For those who think its pointless to talk about this, don't forget that Sony buckled over PSN accounts for PC Hell Divers 2 players after backlash.

Okay, so to get this right, Dota 2, CSGO, LoL, Valorant, OW players play their games for thousands of hours, because the game is truly fun to play, and Marvel Rivals isn't a fun game, in fact it's a bad game, but the devs are magically forcing you to continue eating the cactus even though you don't like it. Do you hear how that sounds?

[Tynnyri]

Publicado originalmente por Fartin' Futa King:

Okay, so to get this right, Dota 2, CSGO, LoL, Valorant, OW players play their games for thousands of hours, because the game is truly fun to play, and Marvel Rivals isn't a fun game, in fact it's a bad game, but the devs are magically forcing you to continue eating the cactus even though you don't like it. Do you hear how that sounds?

Nobody said any of those things.

[Fartin' Futa King]

Publicado originalmente por Tygerwolf:

Publicado originalmente por IWMYIYS:

Pure copium. If you're good, you will win matches.

Watch this and wake up bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdLoO3TjE6Y

He is just reading parts of technical paper and then suggesting some crazy things out of his arse.
Like he wouldn't be surprised if the game is changing the hitboxes, mouse acceleration, latency or fps during the match.
24:14 "There are games that... this system is actually increased and decreased hitboxes in realtime in the game. " (yeah, he didn't say what game, except some "bullet magnetism" in Destiny 2)
Or when he suggested that the game can put a stomper against you with a skin so you buy it too.
This crazy guy is just a conspiracy theorist. The reading comprehension and general rethoric of flat-eartheners, UFO-witnesses, and vaccine-autism-believers.

[AAAkaneAAA]

Ok, let me slow you down here mr flat-earther fantasist. Firstly, answer this point. Why would a matchmaker make a match for which it can reliably calculate the outcome. That is in the Netease paper. What business does a matchmaker have with trying to do that if its a fair system?

Publicado originalmente por Fartin' Futa King:

Publicado originalmente por Tygerwolf:

Watch this and wake up bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdLoO3TjE6Y

He is just reading parts of technical paper and then suggesting some crazy things out of his arse.
Like he wouldn't be surprised if the game is changing the hitboxes, mouse acceleration, latency or fps during the match.
24:14 "There are games that... this system is actually increased and decreased hitboxes in realtime in the game. " (yeah, he didn't say what game, except some "bullet magnetism" in Destiny 2)
Or when he suggested that the game can put a stomper against you with a skin so you buy it too.
This crazy guy is just a conspiracy theorist. The reading comprehension and general rethoric of flat-eartheners, UFO-witnesses, and vaccine-autism-believers.

[FaZe Richard]

people would rather write those crazy essays then learning the game, tiktok young people can't expect more than that sadly.