Just a random post about Magik

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I really hope you`re gonna buff her, devs. She ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ needs it, the character is useless and sometimes even unplayable.

GIVE HER SOME WELL DESERVED ATTENTION

P.S. People who dont see/understand the problem with Magik either never played her or spent so much time they just got good. Claiming the character is fine just because of unclear statistics or because of the fact there are some people who are good at it, is not a valid point

[The Morning Star]

Escrito originalmente por DoremianCleff:

Magik's a strong chracter. Most people just don't know how to play her. It's same with every character that has a pretty high skill floor. You may understand how to use their abilities or how to combo and stuff, but if you are bad at playing them in actuall matches - you won't do much.

Also i find it funny that it's always complains about DPS - Storm bad, Wolvering bad, Wanda bad. And people complaing about healers being too strong. But very few talking about vanguards.

70% of Vanguards have monstrously high damage

[Villager]

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It can mean many things, but most likely it means that you increase your chance to win if your team has a magik and the other doesn't.

I saw people in the top who have 90-100% win rate on widow and scarlet witch, what does that mean? Win rates in the tops are a wildly strange thing, they are often absurdly high, even on the worst characters.
The combination of low pick rate and high win rate most often indicates that the character is weak, there are just a small number of players who play ONLY these characters

The game has 33 heroes which means in a perfect world where people pick each hero evenly the pick rate for all heroes would be 3,03%, magik has 1,7%, that is slightly above 50% of the 3,03%.

If you compare it to another dps like black panther (since you mention it), he has 1,30% pick rate (29th) and 57% win rate (12th).

So the point of only few people are good at her doesn't even make sense because the example you gave of good melee character has even less players and slightly less win rate, so your point doesn't even have data to back it up.

Now imagine 0,56 of 33 (number of heroes) players pick magik, it will take around 6,5 games to see her, and this player has a 58,9% chance of winning. Now do same for panther, 0,42 players of 33 will play him but they have 57% chance of winning.

Who do you want in your team?

Do you understand how crazy is to have 58,90% chance to win a game.

The best people in solo sports like tenis got to their level by being on average 50-51% better than the other professional athletes, the crazy top of the top are 51%-52% like Djokovic, Nadal or Federer.

[The Morning Star]

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I saw people in the top who have 90-100% win rate on widow and scarlet witch, what does that mean? Win rates in the tops are a wildly strange thing, they are often absurdly high, even on the worst characters.
The combination of low pick rate and high win rate most often indicates that the character is weak, there are just a small number of players who play ONLY these characters

The game has 33 heroes which means in a perfect world where people pick each hero evenly the pick rate for all heroes would be 3,03%, magik has 1,7%, that is slightly above 50% of the 3,03%.

If you compare it to another dps like black panther (since you mention it), he has 1,30% pick rate (29th) and 57% win rate (12th).

So the point of only few people are good at her doesn't even make sense because the example you gave of good melee character has even less players and slightly less win rate, so your point doesn't even have data to back it up.

Now imagine 0,56 of 33 (number of heroes) players pick magik, it will take around 6,5 games to see her, and this player has a 58,9% chance of winning. Now do same for panther, 0,42 players of 33 will play him but they have 57% chance of winning.

Who do you want in your team?

Do you understand how crazy is to have 58,90% chance to win a game.

The best people in solo sports like tenis got to their level by being on average 50-51% better than the other professional athletes, the crazy top of the top are 51%-52% like Djokovic, Nadal or Federer.

That's why all the top players in this game have a 60-80% win rate?

[Villager]

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The game has 33 heroes which means in a perfect world where people pick each hero evenly the pick rate for all heroes would be 3,03%, magik has 1,7%, that is slightly above 50% of the 3,03%.

If you compare it to another dps like black panther (since you mention it), he has 1,30% pick rate (29th) and 57% win rate (12th).

So the point of only few people are good at her doesn't even make sense because the example you gave of good melee character has even less players and slightly less win rate, so your point doesn't even have data to back it up.

Now imagine 0,56 of 33 (number of heroes) players pick magik, it will take around 6,5 games to see her, and this player has a 58,9% chance of winning. Now do same for panther, 0,42 players of 33 will play him but they have 57% chance of winning.

Who do you want in your team?

Do you understand how crazy is to have 58,90% chance to win a game.

The best people in solo sports like tenis got to their level by being on average 50-51% better than the other professional athletes, the crazy top of the top are 51%-52% like Djokovic, Nadal or Federer.

That's why all the top players in this game have a 60-80% win rate?

They have this high win rate because they have to go through low ranks to get to the top, so those games will inflate their win rate.

Any player who gets to their real rating eventually will get a win rate around 48% to 52% it will just take time, otherwise they would rise for ever and that would mean that individual player is the best in the world.

If you even put the effort to check these players game history you will notice that they don't have crazy amounts of wins in their history, the win rate comes from the path to their deserved level

[True]

im a magik main
you're just bad
ill take free buff tho

[The Morning Star]

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That's why all the top players in this game have a 60-80% win rate?

They have this high win rate because they have to go through low ranks to get to the top, so those games will inflate their win rate.

Any player who gets to their real rating eventually will get a win rate around 48% to 52% it will just take time, otherwise they would rise for ever and that would mean that individual player is the best in the world.

If you even put the effort to check these players game history you will notice that they don't have crazy amounts of wins in their history, the win rate comes from the path to their deserved level

So 58% win rate for Magic is very low, the real win rate is somewhere around 40%?

[FrostyShock]

Escrito originalmente por average:

I really hope you`re gonna buff her, devs. She ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ needs it, the character is useless and sometimes even unplayable.

GIVE HER SOME WELL DESERVED ATTENTION

P.S. People who dont see/understand the problem with Magik either never played her or spent so much time they just got good. Claiming the character is fine just because of unclear statistics or because of the fact there are some people who are good at it, is not a valid point

skill issue

[Villager]

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They have this high win rate because they have to go through low ranks to get to the top, so those games will inflate their win rate.

Any player who gets to their real rating eventually will get a win rate around 48% to 52% it will just take time, otherwise they would rise for ever and that would mean that individual player is the best in the world.

If you even put the effort to check these players game history you will notice that they don't have crazy amounts of wins in their history, the win rate comes from the path to their deserved level

So 58% win rate for Magic is very low, the real win rate is somewhere around 40%?

58,90% win rate is for all ranked games, so its incredibly high. There is no real or fake win rate. You could argue it can change depending on bracket but that is pointless in a balance perspective, because even if it was true it would only mean it's a skill issue on the player side.

[The Morning Star]

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So 58% win rate for Magic is very low, the real win rate is somewhere around 40%?

58,90% win rate is for all ranked games, so its incredibly high. There is no real or fake win rate. You could argue it can change depending on bracket but that is pointless in a balance perspective, because even if it was true it would only mean it's a skill issue on the player side.

Or maybe Magic was only taken at low ranks? And this is a skill issue, yes, only for those who play against her.

[xiLin]

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So why was she constantly picked in tournaments, many top 500 players main her and she is at 58,90% win rate in ranked (3rd place)

All these people at the top must be masochists to pick her ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[FrostyShock]

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58,90% win rate is for all ranked games, so its incredibly high. There is no real or fake win rate. You could argue it can change depending on bracket but that is pointless in a balance perspective, because even if it was true it would only mean it's a skill issue on the player side.

Or maybe Magic was only taken at low ranks? And this is a skill issue, yes, only for those who play against her.

she's a glass cannon that requires skill and planning to play as. a quick youtube search and you'll see lots of players glazing her at how awesome she is provided you have the skill and game-sense to pull it off. honestly I'd recommend Jeff and Wanda for your mains if you can't understand that

[The Morning Star]

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Or maybe Magic was only taken at low ranks? And this is a skill issue, yes, only for those who play against her.

she's a glass cannon that requires skill and planning to play as. a quick youtube search and you'll see lots of players glazing her at how awesome she is provided you have the skill and game-sense to pull it off. honestly I'd recommend Jeff and Wanda for your mains if you can't understand that

Don't trust the YouTube videos, Magic is not a glass cannon. She is a solid b-a tier

[FrostyShock]

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she's a glass cannon that requires skill and planning to play as. a quick youtube search and you'll see lots of players glazing her at how awesome she is provided you have the skill and game-sense to pull it off. honestly I'd recommend Jeff and Wanda for your mains if you can't understand that

Don't trust the YouTube videos, Magic is not a glass cannon. She is a solid b-a tier

so you have a skill issue, either stop playing her because you can't get past 1/25 with her or just get better with her, do some learning bro

[The Morning Star]

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Don't trust the YouTube videos, Magic is not a glass cannon. She is a solid b-a tier

so you have a skill issue, either stop playing her because you can't get past 1/25 with her or just get better with her, do some learning bro

Where did I say I play magic? I don't play female characters
I play Strange, Wolverine and Moon Knight

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What? Shes insanely good what are you talking about. All of the melee dps are strong

Get out of the bronze. All melee heroes are almost unplayable (except for panther)

wolverine is literally a meta pick