Busted Ultimates

[Mister Sir]

No one wants ultimate to be super terribad, yeah but I have a feeling that some ultimates are just way overtuned in this game to the point where use of it will win the entire game cause there hardly anything you can do about it.

There are some ults that are powerful but counterable, like starlords, dr strange, scarlet witch, and many others. These usually can either be avoided by simply not being in line of fire or by blocking with many different characters or by simply killing their ass or stopping it with cc.

Then there ults like Luna and Mantis... which is like ok? So what are our options? a perfect iron man ult or jeff ult.... like ok? Bit stupid, is it not? Then there ults like spiderman, insane damage, not based on how many people it hits, just insane damage + cc all around, so if you are not dead you are stunned, oh and of course he needs double hp when he does it.... and forget about cc him cause he is flying around at mac speed.

Then you got stupid ♥♥♥♥ like squirrel girl, which is rng based on how it bounces, pretty sure it can be jumped over, and half of the time does not kill ♥♥♥♥, by far worst and weakest part of her kit.

[Trollified]

Luna and Mantis will be the reason why 50% of the playerbase drops the game within a month. The first "balance" patch will not address the biggest issues and people just wont wanna hang around for another two months hoping they gut these oppressively OP ultimates that recharge every 2 minutes

[Akasha]

Originally posted by Trollified:

Luna and Mantis will be the reason why 50% of the playerbase drops the game within a month. The first "balance" patch will not address the biggest issues and people just wont wanna hang around for another two months hoping they gut these oppressively OP ultimates that recharge every 2 minutes

A lot of cope and skill issue with this one.

[Eudicots]

Mantis Ult isn't even that bad when compared to Luna. The reason for this is that it doesn't last as long (50% shorter) and its a lot easier to kill mantis in her ult than luna.

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Akasha:

Originally posted by Trollified:

Luna and Mantis will be the reason why 50% of the playerbase drops the game within a month. The first "balance" patch will not address the biggest issues and people just wont wanna hang around for another two months hoping they gut these oppressively OP ultimates that recharge every 2 minutes

A lot of cope and skill issue with this one.

Yeah... it takes less than 2 mins to recharge but in all honesty, while I do think lunas ult is bs, I find spidermans ult to be the biggest bs ult in the entire game. It lacks any weaknesses other heavy damaging ults have and you really don't even have to be good to just suck as spiderman entire game, get ult, jump in at speed of light and press a button that kills all healers and dps it touches while you are basically safe while doing it.

[Twisty]

Originally posted by Trollified:

Luna and Mantis will be the reason why 50% of the playerbase drops the game within a month. The first "balance" patch will not address the biggest issues and people just wont wanna hang around for another two months hoping they gut these oppressively OP ultimates that recharge every 2 minutes

You can always try to bait the ult put of them and counter it that way.

If youre a dps or dive tank go after them when you think they have their ult up. Chances are, instead of dying they will ult. Or they don't and die, then your team wins the fight hopefully.

[Trollified]

People are acting like Luna/Mantis wont be on the same team with 2 stuns and 20 seconds of unstoppable ultimates back to back.

[Akasha]

Originally posted by Trollified:

People are acting like Luna/Mantis wont be on the same team with 2 stuns and 20 seconds of unstoppable ultimates back to back.

People acting like you can't counter ult

[the legendary neuts]

I think Mantis ult is fine because of the short duration, but Luna's ult just... legitimately makes the game less fun to play. Having 2 Lunas in a game with possibly a Loki means that we're not playing the game for 25+ seconds every push.

Spiderman's ult is super lame yeah, feels like Psylocke ult but way overtuned and 'balanced' by a smaller AoE which isn't that big a deal.

[Lion Bird Plate Plate Feather Fe]

Taking out Luna and Mantis ult is actually really easy. Either your team adjusts with a counter or you bait them to waste it to save themselves. So far these are some of the counters:
- Jeff ult (Effective mostly vs Mantis. Doesnt grab Luna but will grab everyone else around her)
- Magneto ult (Direct hit)
- Iron Man ult (Direct hit)
- Witch ult (Will need good positioning, shields and/or a lot of healing for it to work)
- Some people claim that Storm's ult can deal with both. Cannot confirm.
- Anything that gets in the way of their movement i.e. Groot walls and terrain. Trapping Luna somewhere will eat into her ult time.
- If you're really really good with Strange, portal drop off the map.

[Akasha]

Originally posted by Lion Bird Plate Plate Feather Fe:

Taking out Luna and Mantis ult is actually really easy. Either your team adjusts with a counter or you bait them to waste it to save themselves. So far these are some of the counters:
- Jeff ult (Effective mostly vs Mantis. Doesnt grab Luna but will grab everyone else around her)
- Magneto ult (Direct hit)
- Iron Man ult (Direct hit)
- Witch ult (Will need good positioning, shields and/or a lot of healing for it to work)
- Some people claim that Storm's ult can deal with both. Cannot confirm.
- Anything that gets in the way of their movement i.e. Groot walls and terrain. Trapping Luna somewhere will eat into her ult time.
- If you're really really good with Strange, portal drop off the map.

Oh my, someone who actually plays the game

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Akasha:

Originally posted by Lion Bird Plate Plate Feather Fe:

Taking out Luna and Mantis ult is actually really easy. Either your team adjusts with a counter or you bait them to waste it to save themselves. So far these are some of the counters:
- Jeff ult (Effective mostly vs Mantis. Doesnt grab Luna but will grab everyone else around her)
- Magneto ult (Direct hit)
- Iron Man ult (Direct hit)
- Witch ult (Will need good positioning, shields and/or a lot of healing for it to work)
- Some people claim that Storm's ult can deal with both. Cannot confirm.
- Anything that gets in the way of their movement i.e. Groot walls and terrain. Trapping Luna somewhere will eat into her ult time.
- If you're really really good with Strange, portal drop off the map.

Oh my, someone who actually plays the game

You guys are acting like I did not specifically listed half of those options in original post, obviously there is more but did I need to list all of them? Also just cause you can beat a tank with another well timed tank does not mean it's ok to have 5 tanks in a bicycle fight (which are most of the ults in the game compared to those few), which is what those ults are essentially.

Also riddle me this, wtf do you do vs spidermans ult? Not some make belief scenario where you came home from work after saving a puppy just in time to get on your cloak and dagger and jump into a game where someone dc and use your cloaking right click to save entire team from spiderman while also timing it so perfectly that you do not get stunned or one tapped by him? Like no, lets be real here, you can turn off your brain, be bad at spiderman, then jump in press a button and get 2-4 kills easy with really no reliable counter.

Like I can counter luna, mantis, iron man, psylock, starlord, jeff, and many other powerful ults pretty reliably (still dont mean lunas ult is balanced by the way), but for the life of me, I have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue how do you reliably counter spiderman ult in a none make belief perfect scenario that will never happen but in your wildest dreams. How do you deal with that piece of ♥♥♥♥ ult? Any insight, o pro gamers?

[Lion Bird Plate Plate Feather Fe]

Heres how you deal with spiderman ult:
- You don't, cause if you're a duelist or a strategist, you'll be dead. If the spiderman is good, he will pop in a place you literally cannot do anything about, like an unprotected backline. UNLESS-
- You're a vanguard with a shield. It will mitigate at least most of the damage. However, that means you won't have anything left for anyone else that might come after you afterwards, like maybe a Bucky or a Punisher.
Spiderman's ult can be used to delete anything that doesn't have a ridiculous amount of HP or isn't healing a ridiculous amount a second. It pops really fast and doesn't last very long while he is dumping damage on anyone in the AoE, so there is no way to predict or time any direct counters (except maybe Starlord's dodge). However, he is vulnerable for a split second after he pops. If you can lock him down before he gets away, you can delete him.

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Lion Bird Plate Plate Feather Fe:

Heres how you deal with spiderman ult:
- You don't, cause if you're a duelist or a strategist, you'll be dead. If the spiderman is good, he will pop in a place you literally cannot do anything about, like an unprotected backline. UNLESS-
- You're a vanguard with a shield. It will mitigate at least most of the damage. However, that means you won't have anything left for anyone else that might come after you afterwards, like maybe a Bucky or a Punisher.
Spiderman's ult can be used to delete anything that doesn't have a ridiculous amount of HP or isn't healing a ridiculous amount a second. It pops really fast and doesn't last very long while he is dumping damage on anyone in the AoE, so there is no way to predict or time any direct counters (except maybe Starlord's dodge). However, he is vulnerable for a split second after he pops. If you can lock him down before he gets away, you can delete him.

Thats exactly what I mean man. In my eyes while spiderman is not the most busted hero in the game, his ult is the most busted in the game for what it is. Sure it's not borderline invincibility like luna ult nor is it room clear like jeff ult, but the fact that you can really do ♥♥♥♥ all about it 9/10 times is pretty busted. It feels like it should either do certain amount of damage between everyone, not just 10000000000000000 dmg per hero, or have sound que that comes before the ult, or maybe not have this insane double hp shield that he gets for some reason.