Every rocket player

[Mister Sir]

picks rocket, wont swap no matter what, does 0-2k dmg, has 0-2 kills, ult has no push power, and then in end game they go, "but look at my 40k healing! :3".

Like guys are you trolling or you truly do not understand what you doing wrong? You are being hard carried every game with illusion of doing something. Your heals are over time heals, not burst heals so you can offer sustain but you can't really save anyone when it's really needed. You got your revive, good stuff, sadly it is often used by worst player on the team who died first.

My back is actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥ from carrying rocket players and it is no longer funny. I am running into games where rocket is on one other healer besides me and team is screaming if we have any support ults? To which I rightfully crack my back and say that yeah, I have one and we been pushing only with my ult and perhaps rocket should swap if we want to push more. To which they do complete 180, cause running duo with rocket of course, and go from "do we have support ults" to "nah, you are wrong, rocket is fine" meanwhile the only times we really have meaningful push is when I ult with cnd.

I legit had rocket player tell me that lack of support ults is not why we lost, while we literally just lost to a team who rotated support ults to win the game... Like what am I seeing? What am I dealing with? Rocket is not even a terrible character but most of you playing him are terrible and don't know when or what to swap to.

My bruddas, get better, stop coping, play another healer for a change. Your 40k sustained healing aint doing as much as you think it does.

[Musoko]

Първоначално публикувано от Mister Sir:

picks rocket, wont swap no matter what, does 0-2k dmg, has 0-2 kills, ult has no push power, and then in end game they go, "but look at my 40k healing! :3".

Like guys are you trolling or you truly do not understand what you doing wrong? You are being hard carried every game with illusion of doing something. Your heals are over time heals, not burst heals so you can offer sustain but you can't really save anyone when it's really needed. You got your revive, good stuff, sadly it is often used by worst player on the team who died first.

My back is actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥ from carrying rocket players and it is no longer funny. I am running into games where rocket is on one other healer besides me and team is screaming if we have any support ults? To which I rightfully crack my back and say that yeah, I have one and we been pushing only with my ult and perhaps rocket should swap if we want to push more. To which they do complete 180, cause running duo with rocket of course, and go from "do we have support ults" to "nah, you are wrong, rocket is fine" meanwhile the only times we really have meaningful push is when I ult with cnd.

I legit had rocket player tell me that lack of support ults is not why we lost, while we literally just lost to a team who rotated support ults to win the game... Like what am I seeing? What am I dealing with? Rocket is not even a terrible character but most of you playing him are terrible and don't know when or what to swap to.

My bruddas, get better, stop coping, play another healer for a change. Your 40k sustained healing aint doing as much as you think it does.

and still gets more value than you

[WaterMelwin]

support job isnt dmg its heals

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

Първоначално публикувано от WaterMelwin:

support job isnt dmg its heals

Contributions are still contributions and the best teams will shoot to do whatever they can to succeed.

[doofus0510]

i just hate rocket because no matter what he will someone prevent my entire ability to kill as spiderman

[Khasa]

Did i just read that HEAL is bad because they are HEALING?! Guess why Rocket is in the suppurt/heal hero group, yeah...

[Mister Sir]

Първоначално публикувано от Khasa:

Did i just read that HEAL is bad because they are HEALING?! Guess why Rocket is in the suppurt/heal hero group, yeah...

If thats all you chose to read from literally 6 pages of discussion then I guess yea? Thats all you chose to read.

[Mister Sir]

Първоначално публикувано от Kitt 🌟 Stargazer:

Първоначално публикувано от WaterMelwin:

support job isnt dmg its heals

Contributions are still contributions and the best teams will shoot to do whatever they can to succeed.

Literally can not agree more.

[Mister Sir]

Първоначално публикувано от Musoko:

Първоначално публикувано от Mister Sir:

picks rocket, wont swap no matter what, does 0-2k dmg, has 0-2 kills, ult has no push power, and then in end game they go, "but look at my 40k healing! :3".

Like guys are you trolling or you truly do not understand what you doing wrong? You are being hard carried every game with illusion of doing something. Your heals are over time heals, not burst heals so you can offer sustain but you can't really save anyone when it's really needed. You got your revive, good stuff, sadly it is often used by worst player on the team who died first.

My back is actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥ from carrying rocket players and it is no longer funny. I am running into games where rocket is on one other healer besides me and team is screaming if we have any support ults? To which I rightfully crack my back and say that yeah, I have one and we been pushing only with my ult and perhaps rocket should swap if we want to push more. To which they do complete 180, cause running duo with rocket of course, and go from "do we have support ults" to "nah, you are wrong, rocket is fine" meanwhile the only times we really have meaningful push is when I ult with cnd.

I legit had rocket player tell me that lack of support ults is not why we lost, while we literally just lost to a team who rotated support ults to win the game... Like what am I seeing? What am I dealing with? Rocket is not even a terrible character but most of you playing him are terrible and don't know when or what to swap to.

My bruddas, get better, stop coping, play another healer for a change. Your 40k sustained healing aint doing as much as you think it does.

and still gets more value than you

Right, which is why the games I was referring to were games where team was stressing if I have my ult ready or not, and also where I had as much or more healing than rocket. If you gonna rage bait or troll, be more clever, if you just wanna be ignorant, then you get A+.

[Mister Sir]

Първоначално публикувано от Mitrovarr:

Първоначално публикувано от Mister Sir:

You have a good point but numbers are not everything, they are important but they do not tell a whole story. Rockets that basically only heal or literally only heal will have high heal numbers but it is a sustain healing, nut burst. Have you been in games where enemy team just have dps with better score than yours but you still win? It's cause you worked better as a team, and supports ults are massive part of that. I don't think I even need to argue that point, everyone knows that 4 ults I am referring to are game turning.

That being said, yeah, luna can be killed easier than rocket in my opinion. Also my biggest grip is rockets only healing or not swapping when needed. It's not exactly rocket as a character itself that I hate, it's the way many play him. I usually get in there as a healer, and my kill/last hits often reflect that. Since I am not a special star player boy, this means other people do that as well, so when we having team fight and it's 6 of them shooting and 2 healing while we only got 5 people shooting and 2 healing, it is more likely that we are going to have harder time, especially when those 2 supports on enemy team start rotating their ults.

Again, I got to stress, rocket is not useless, he can be played well and there are good situation to play him, it is just not what I am getting in my games what feels like 9/10 times.

Well, a lot of this is fair. I don't one-trick Rocket or anything. There are certainly times for other healers. That being said, Rocket's powerful and indiscriminate sustain healing is great. Yeah, it's not burst healing, and sometimes burst healing is better, but it's not always better. Maybe today Luna's powerful burst healing is the only thing keeping Thor alive on the point, but tomorrow Luna's inability to heal more than one (and a half with E) person means the tank might live but she just lost both the DPS. Even in a brawl comp this can be true; sure, Luna can heal the Thing and Hulk frontlining the enemy tanks, but Rocket can heal them and the Hela off to the side and the Magik in the enemy backline.

I do think that people need to go for more offense on Rocket. You have to be quick and opportunistic when the chance arises. You melt dive tanks and don't do half bad on squishies in general although you should probably avoid 1 on 1 duels with anyone able to focus you. The trick is, have orbs out at all times and try to keep some on return trajectories, and then when a tank is in a good place rip out the minigun and trust the orbs you have out to keep the healing going for a moment while you make half the tank's healthbar fall off. Or, when someone dives your backline, throw out some orbs to heal the other support or backline DPS and then quickly mow down the flanker if they haven't run for it. People ignore Rocket, they don't always see him and often don't expect him to attack at all, and he does kind of shocking damage at close range.

Yeah see, everything you said is correct, there is time and place for rocket and your play style is not something I would even complain about. I am referring to rockets that literally stand back all game, blindly holding right click and wont touch the point even if we are about to lose. I also mean that I litraly had games where I had to haul my ass to the objective and touch it in last second or two cause rocket just stood there refusing to do anything but right click into literal enemy team... ended up winning those two games.

So yeah, again, dumb asses gonna ignore and hate one me cause they are probably as useless in game as they are in this discussion, gladly there people like you, who actually wanna you know, debate and share opinions and I got to agree with pretty much everything you said and wish more people played rocket like you do.

[Yoshinite]

Tbh i kinda see where you're coming from, but if i'm not getting a flanker diving on me, i'm not going to actively look to get kills, if i see the chance to deal damage, like shooting a tank that's alone fighting a teammate, i will, but mi priority is on healing my teammates.

[Mister Sir]

Първоначално публикувано от Yosh:

Tbh i kinda see where you're coming from, but if i'm not getting a flanker diving on me, i'm not going to actively look to get kills, if i see the chance to deal damage, like shooting a tank that's alone fighting a teammate, i will, but mi priority is on healing my teammates.

Yeah, as it should be. I do not expect healer get more kills than dps and when that happens, dps is the issue. Even in games where I have over 20-30 kills as a healer, only about 5-10 of those are last hits and my damage usually little below 10k. This is enough to give value but healing is the priority of course. Rocket can work well but there are clear times when he is not the pick, and that goes for every character in every role. You can swap any time and if team needs another support ult, sadly many rockets do not swap. People seem to take what I say and apply it to like 100% of the time, which is just not the case. Also yeah, rocket is great at shredding tanks and divers, he is probably one of the best diver counters as far as healers go. What he is not the best at is pushing in my opinion.

[Shiro]

By marvel rivals stats highest win rate is on rocket racoon 55.14% and it's saying everything.....

[Crunchy[Daz]]

You want to know why Rocket has low kills? Because he will be there on the front line keeping your team alive. If he stops healing, even for a little bit to start killing, the team dies. Thats why he is most likely not attacking much.

Rocket is good at assassinating low health targets trying to flee. You can dart in and out really quickly.

His gun has high damage falloff and low projectile speed. Unless he's up close, he really shouldn't be shooting.

I mean, if your complaint against the healer is that he did too much healing then you should probably just be quiet.

[FentanylWallaby]

His m1 does need a dps boost.

[BunnySpirit]

Първоначално публикувано от Shiro:

By marvel rivals stats highest win rate is on rocket racoon 55.14% and it's saying everything.....

Yeah this should end the conversation, no debate here.