Iron Fist Was Nerfed

[glaphen]

This patch was just a huge nerf to the already worst character in the game. Why was it a nerf? Because there's no point in playing him when Captain America and DPS Jeff exist, and I say this as a Captain America main. He literally does the same thing as Captain America at this point but worse, and Captain America was already Hulk but worse, he only does 118 DPS to squishy targets, with season buff and only AFTER he uses his 15 second cooldown, before that he only does a joke like 70 DPS, less than every tank in the game besides Mr. Fantastic, but Mr. Fantastic has inflated and had his animation cancel to burst, note, had because drastically nerfed him too this patch by removing it, still does more with a timed cancel anyway, and they also lowered his inflated uptime for a useless knockback. Captain America already does 90 DPS without animation cancel, with it he does a lot more, how much, not bothering to check, but obviously more than 120 and can cancel with shield throw for 70 burst, only advantage Iron Fist has is his kick cancel doing 115 burst damage, but that's also your only escape tool, and has a disgusting 12 second cooldown.
50 extra HP is nice but you already had that from meditate, now meditate wastes 1.5 seconds for 150 health, but with decay you only get maybe 50 health if people look at you quick enough, but not quick enough to hit you while meditating, the extra 50 damage from block is nice, but that is the max block, if people don't stupidly shoot your block for an extra 34 damage on top of the rest that gave 150, you didn't gain anything from the buff, it mainly buffed his ultimate survivability, but it's still one of the worst in the game, now even worse since his damage is literally only 153, 3 DPS higher than before the "buff", OUTSIDE OF HIS ULTIMATE. In the end his health was barely buffed unless the enemy hits his block even more than before or let's him charge his meditate 2 feet away. The extra .5 second per melee attack reduction on his block is a joke, since at that time you would only have 300 HP and melt, even meditating before hand it will be hard to get his block back before the enemy kills you when you stand still in front of your tank and the enemy tank because his auto lock makes him highly immobile and hurts more than it helps.
The tank damage is a joke, 1.7% per hit is nothing, against Strange you only do 162 DPS, 12 more DPS than before the patch, I would like to remind you Bucky is bursting for over 450 headshot damage in that time frame not counting his full kit of CC and over 400 health, anyone calling him a tank buster is just dumb, against the highest HP tank Groot he does 196 DPS, the majority of DPS do around these numbers without headshotting from range, and all but the pure DPS healers heal more per second than that, alone.
Yet what no one is even talking about is his damage is neutered against deployables, he cannot kill them anymore with his sad DPS, takes over a second to kill a single Loki rune.
There's literally no reason to play him over a DPS Jeff, Jeff does 113 compared to Iron Fist's 118, but those numbers are wrong, because burst damage in a second is more important, the first shot is instant and free, so his instant 1 second damage is 178, yet Jeff has far more self healing and mobility, and a better ultimate, yet he can also heal his team from the enemy backline and take reduced head shot damage with a smaller hitbox in general.
I always felt Iron Fist was similar to Captain America, both go to the backline and annoy the enemy, least Iron Fist might get a kill occasionally, now they are literally the same character, but Iron Fist is just him but worse. He was already bad, never understood people complaining about a character that does 150 DPS when the majority can easily headshot him as he can't move while hitting you any good, locking himself in a terrible position to just be melted down with more than double his DPS, flying characters complaining was always the funniest, since he can only do his like 80 DPS against Iron Man melting him at 220 while in a position to be healed and close to other allies to help melt him, while Iron Fist couldn't even use his block to kill them any good only to attempt to flee, new Human Torch is literally using a shotgun with headshots, he is free food and I've already seen people complain about this matchup, somehow. Every single strategist can easily beat Iron Fist in a 1 vs 1, and you are putting yourself in a potential 5 vs 1, minimum of 2 vs 1 where the other out heals your low damage, before patch, if they lose a 1 vs 1, it's on them, if they didn't turn it into a 2 vs 1, it's on them, if ranged DPS didn't turn around it's on them, in these cases he was a minor distraction to help your team pressure others while they are turned around, but Captain America could already do that for far longer, far more often, least Iron Fist back then could 3 hit combo people in about 1 second with prep time to waste his first 3 combo hits at the air, which was ruined if they got a heal at all, even self healing, and that was only 250 HP targets.
Yet they also removed his bunny hop tech for no reason, it was just a way to get back from spawn slightly faster and only for longer distances, and yet you can even still do it just far more annoying to do. Hundred animation cancels untouched that do more, yet Iron Fist and Mr. Fantastic are the only ones being fixed...

[glaphen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh boobies:

did any one else notice u cant bhop on iron fist anymore? thats the biggest nerf ever

and ur right dps jeff is the best assassin diver, but iron fist was fun because of the bhop mobility

I wrote about it at the end of the post, you can even still do it just far more difficult and annoying.

[glaphen]

But it is absolutely hilarious how many people are coming to the thread and acting like he can deal with flight, how low rank do you have to be to have this ever happen, that meme was literally from launch, it's been 2 months, have you not realized the only way that happens is if they run away instead of fighting, and no one on the enemy team interrupts the 1 vs 1 directly above them, all 3 do far higher DPS than him even before the "buff", which this buff was a nerf against flight, less DPS and he can't even use the survivability gains while fighting fliers. You need so many mistakes combined just for Iron Fist to ever win a 1 vs 1 against a flier. But yes the meme videos MONTHS ago are true, he can chase down someone running away in a straight line and slowly kill them, if they aren't getting healed.

[Bigshoots]

ngl im not guanna read all those comments but as a lord ironfist thor and cc and d i feel all my mains got nerfed including thor even tho he supposedly got a buff everything feels clunky af i can no longer combo my buttons together and ontop of that iron fists health is ♥♥♥♥♥♥. they based it off how wolverine works i feel and i hate it its what made him better in the first place.

[Ironside]

I hope they reduce the Ironfist's damage some more.

[Mr.Pessimism]

just because you can't kill a entire team by holding one button doesn't mean he was nerfed.

[glaphen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr.Pessimism:

just because you can't kill a entire team by holding one button doesn't mean he was nerfed.

Yes, just the thing's I already explained in my posts mean he was.

[﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽]

Diposting pertama kali oleh glaphen:

This patch was just a huge nerf to the already worst character in the game. Why was it a nerf? Because there's no point in playing him when Captain America and DPS Jeff exist, and I say this as a Captain America main. He literally does the same thing as Captain America at this point but worse, and Captain America was already Hulk but worse, he only does 118 DPS to squishy targets, with season buff and only AFTER he uses his 15 second cooldown, before that he only does a joke like 70 DPS, less than every tank in the game besides Mr. Fantastic, but Mr. Fantastic has inflated and had his animation cancel to burst, note, had because drastically nerfed him too this patch by removing it, still does more with a timed cancel anyway, and they also lowered his inflated uptime for a useless knockback. Captain America already does 90 DPS without animation cancel, with it he does a lot more, how much, not bothering to check, but obviously more than 120 and can cancel with shield throw for 70 burst, only advantage Iron Fist has is his kick cancel doing 115 burst damage, but that's also your only escape tool, and has a disgusting 12 second cooldown.
50 extra HP is nice but you already had that from meditate, now meditate wastes 1.5 seconds for 150 health, but with decay you only get maybe 50 health if people look at you quick enough, but not quick enough to hit you while meditating, the extra 50 damage from block is nice, but that is the max block, if people don't stupidly shoot your block for an extra 34 damage on top of the rest that gave 150, you didn't gain anything from the buff, it mainly buffed his ultimate survivability, but it's still one of the worst in the game, now even worse since his damage is literally only 153, 3 DPS higher than before the "buff", OUTSIDE OF HIS ULTIMATE. In the end his health was barely buffed unless the enemy hits his block even more than before or let's him charge his meditate 2 feet away. The extra .5 second per melee attack reduction on his block is a joke, since at that time you would only have 300 HP and melt, even meditating before hand it will be hard to get his block back before the enemy kills you when you stand still in front of your tank and the enemy tank because his auto lock makes him highly immobile and hurts more than it helps.
The tank damage is a joke, 1.7% per hit is nothing, against Strange you only do 162 DPS, 12 more DPS than before the patch, I would like to remind you Bucky is bursting for over 450 headshot damage in that time frame not counting his full kit of CC and over 400 health, anyone calling him a tank buster is just dumb, against the highest HP tank Groot he does 196 DPS, the majority of DPS do around these numbers without headshotting from range, and all but the pure DPS healers heal more per second than that, alone.
Yet what no one is even talking about is his damage is neutered against deployables, he cannot kill them anymore with his sad DPS, takes over a second to kill a single Loki rune.
There's literally no reason to play him over a DPS Jeff, Jeff does 113 compared to Iron Fist's 118, but those numbers are wrong, because burst damage in a second is more important, the first shot is instant and free, so his instant 1 second damage is 178, yet Jeff has far more self healing and mobility, and a better ultimate, yet he can also heal his team from the enemy backline and take reduced head shot damage with a smaller hitbox in general.
I always felt Iron Fist was similar to Captain America, both go to the backline and annoy the enemy, least Iron Fist might get a kill occasionally, now they are literally the same character, but Iron Fist is just him but worse. He was already bad, never understood people complaining about a character that does 150 DPS when the majority can easily headshot him as he can't move while hitting you any good, locking himself in a terrible position to just be melted down with more than double his DPS, flying characters complaining was always the funniest, since he can only do his like 80 DPS against Iron Man melting him at 220 while in a position to be healed and close to other allies to help melt him, while Iron Fist couldn't even use his block to kill them any good only to attempt to flee, new Human Torch is literally using a shotgun with headshots, he is free food and I've already seen people complain about this matchup, somehow. Every single strategist can easily beat Iron Fist in a 1 vs 1, and you are putting yourself in a potential 5 vs 1, minimum of 2 vs 1 where the other out heals your low damage, before patch, if they lose a 1 vs 1, it's on them, if they didn't turn it into a 2 vs 1, it's on them, if ranged DPS didn't turn around it's on them, in these cases he was a minor distraction to help your team pressure others while they are turned around, but Captain America could already do that for far longer, far more often, least Iron Fist back then could 3 hit combo people in about 1 second with prep time to waste his first 3 combo hits at the air, which was ruined if they got a heal at all, even self healing, and that was only 250 HP targets.
Yet they also removed his bunny hop tech for no reason, it was just a way to get back from spawn slightly faster and only for longer distances, and yet you can even still do it just far more annoying to do. Hundred animation cancels untouched that do more, yet Iron Fist and Mr. Fantastic are the only ones being fixed...

Learn to structure your words/text its really hard to read otherwise most people wouldn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about it

TLDR
Iron Fist play style design changed from back line assassin to front line dive without proper hero kit
Many other heroes such as Cap and Jeff from other roles can do better damage than Iron Fist and
Even for an dive character there are better hero in damage, effective dive hp etc
Most heros have their own "bug tech" meanwhile Iron Fist bunny hope gets patched for some weird reason
There's no unique or niche to play this hero in new patch definitely unfair nerf

The new Iron fist design change from assassin dive against back line enemy strategist supports dealing flat high damage to front line dive against vanguard tanks % hp based damage is insane 180 change

The problem with new Iron fist design change is that most dive melee heroes can get effective dive hp from additional heal generated from damage that can make them survive the diving but Iron fist simply doesn't have that type of feature kit

Even for another melee dive that doesn't have additional heal generated from damage Wolverine he gets more Effective dive HP than new Iron fist with healing factor

Wolverine already does it better than Iron Fist as dive hero without the additional hp gained

I think its start of doom nerfing unfair nerfing
I think someone in the marvel rivals dev team didn't like IronFist dive on them
Yea it makes no sense for IronFist to get nerfed meanwhile Bucky WinterSoldier has 0 nerfs for 2 seasons

[76561199827903661]

pointless nerf to a character that already had the 2nd worst win rate in season 1

[Arc]

hes fine he still dumpsters bad players which is all he was ever good at

[Gabe Ate My Zombies]

Nobody wants Iron Fist to be remotely good except Iron Fist mains. He should remain a pubstomp character. If you buff him he'll be obnoxious. If you nerf him he won't see play at all. He's fine as is for now until he's needed later to counter a new hero later in the game's lifespan.

I am telling you. People hate Iron Fist enough as is, as bad as he is in ranked. Shelf him for now and play Wolvie or one of the other heroes you mentioned. The nerf was not to balance him competitively, it was to keep him from being oppressive in Casual lobbies where he was dominating newer players.

Why do I feel comfortable saying this? I played a lot of Widow before this patch, and I would almost never be against a comp where she was more useful than Winter Soldier/Punisher/Hela and even Namor/Luna in terms of damage you could consistently deal. Now I'm eating GOOD with all the shooting gallery Human Torch/Storm comps and she's suddenly become useful since I'm not dodging divers. Before this patch I was up against BP or Spidey or both. Every. Single. Game.

[glaphen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Gabe Ate My Zombies:

Nobody wants Iron Fist to be remotely good except Iron Fist mains. He should remain a pubstomp character. If you buff him he'll be obnoxious. If you nerf him he won't see play at all. He's fine as is for now until he's needed later to counter a new hero later in the game's lifespan.

I am telling you. People hate Iron Fist enough as is, as bad as he is in ranked. Shelf him for now and play Wolvie or one of the other heroes you mentioned. The nerf was not to balance him competitively, it was to keep him from being oppressive in Casual lobbies where he was dominating newer players.

Why do I feel comfortable saying this? I played a lot of Widow before this patch, and I would almost never be against a comp where she was more useful than Winter Soldier/Punisher/Hela and even Namor/Luna in terms of damage you could consistently deal. Now I'm eating GOOD with all the shooting gallery Human Torch/Storm comps and she's suddenly become useful since I'm not dodging divers. Before this patch I was up against BP or Spidey or both. Every. Single. Game.

I never even understood how he is even good in low level lobbies, even if people have terrible aim at him while he practically is standing still punching them, his DPS was literally at the bottom of the DPS even at that point, even Squirrel Girl does 165 DPS at infinite range, and it's AoE splash, but he was doing 150 DPS at point blank, and only temporarily, and her ultimate is free kills against bad players yet charges 3 times faster. Also Black Widow literally can free farm Iron Fist, he cannot deal with her kick stun into headshot instant kill, just auto win, you block the kick you still have the grapple, you can't really block the grapple outside of luck, and she out damages him of course even before patch.
Also if you look at win rates on their site even, in bronze had the 4th lowest pick rate yet only 48.69% win rate, and in silver it's 2nd lowest yet 49.11%.

One thing this patch did add is the ability to fly with his right clicks, at least fun, just look up and you go flying if you aren't locked on, even if his DPS is utter garbage when hitting flying you have a better shot at killing them while missing 2/3rds of your punches if no one heals just being an annoying fly, like Captain America is always called...Of course if they can aim you still die anyway, least you are as evasive as a fly. Though I swear they have bugged his normal left click tracking, even more than before it just doesn't dash to the target and punches the air when the marker is clearly visible on my screen.
Though this does make killing Loki runes even more torture when he does 0 damage and now he flies away instead of hitting them.

[Arc]

Diposting pertama kali oleh glaphen:

.el snippo

because his m1 auto aims for you
his rmb counters people recklessly shooting
and he self heals
he's tailor-made to crap on bad players and die easily to anyone good, he's a design that shouldn't have existed

[glaphen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Arc:

Diposting pertama kali oleh glaphen:

.el snippo

because his m1 auto aims for you
his rmb counters people recklessly shooting
and he self heals
he's tailor-made to crap on bad players and die easily to anyone good, he's a design that shouldn't have existed

I'll never understand how people think he "auto aims", he is melee, melee is incredibly easy to aim in the first place, if you mean he auto dashes to you, then yes, he does, if it doesn't bug which it does, even more so after this patch, but it's also just a negative, because it puts you in the same terrible position so you are standing there to be headshot by superior DPS numbers, a real melee can be evasive while in your face, he can only cancel his attacks and jump to have any in combat mobility.
His block doesn't counter anything, it only gives you up to 200 bonus health, countering would be Mr. Fantastic hitting for an instant 180 damage back, 200 health on a character with real damage would be scary, but he does no damage before or after the patch, and even with max bonus health he loses almost every 1 vs 1 in the game vs anyone with aim.
He is actually garbage in the hands of garbage players, literally you have their own website showing him the 2nd lowest picked in the lowest ranks and sub 50% win rate, it only goes up as ranks go up since you need to actually be good to play him since he is such a garbage character.

[Arc]

apparently you'll "never understand" a lot of things
this is him in low skill servers. in low skill servers people shoot the iron fist and trigger his rmb, then they panic and they die.
in high skill servers he just gets shot and dies.
its not complicated

[glaphen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Arc:

apparently you'll "never understand" a lot of things
this is him in low skill servers. in low skill servers people shoot the iron fist and trigger his rmb, then they panic and they die.
in high skill servers he just gets shot and dies.
its not complicated

You can do the same thing on any dive tank in the first place in low rank games, or spray with Squirrel Girl/Moon Knight, what is Iron Fist doing better at all here, even with current patch he only gets the base health of the lowest tanks at max block, and most tanks do more damage than he did last patch even, now they all do.