Iron Fist Was Nerfed

[glaphen]

This patch was just a huge nerf to the already worst character in the game. Why was it a nerf? Because there's no point in playing him when Captain America and DPS Jeff exist, and I say this as a Captain America main. He literally does the same thing as Captain America at this point but worse, and Captain America was already Hulk but worse, he only does 118 DPS to squishy targets, with season buff and only AFTER he uses his 15 second cooldown, before that he only does a joke like 70 DPS, less than every tank in the game besides Mr. Fantastic, but Mr. Fantastic has inflated and had his animation cancel to burst, note, had because drastically nerfed him too this patch by removing it, still does more with a timed cancel anyway, and they also lowered his inflated uptime for a useless knockback. Captain America already does 90 DPS without animation cancel, with it he does a lot more, how much, not bothering to check, but obviously more than 120 and can cancel with shield throw for 70 burst, only advantage Iron Fist has is his kick cancel doing 115 burst damage, but that's also your only escape tool, and has a disgusting 12 second cooldown.
50 extra HP is nice but you already had that from meditate, now meditate wastes 1.5 seconds for 150 health, but with decay you only get maybe 50 health if people look at you quick enough, but not quick enough to hit you while meditating, the extra 50 damage from block is nice, but that is the max block, if people don't stupidly shoot your block for an extra 34 damage on top of the rest that gave 150, you didn't gain anything from the buff, it mainly buffed his ultimate survivability, but it's still one of the worst in the game, now even worse since his damage is literally only 153, 3 DPS higher than before the "buff", OUTSIDE OF HIS ULTIMATE. In the end his health was barely buffed unless the enemy hits his block even more than before or let's him charge his meditate 2 feet away. The extra .5 second per melee attack reduction on his block is a joke, since at that time you would only have 300 HP and melt, even meditating before hand it will be hard to get his block back before the enemy kills you when you stand still in front of your tank and the enemy tank because his auto lock makes him highly immobile and hurts more than it helps.
The tank damage is a joke, 1.7% per hit is nothing, against Strange you only do 162 DPS, 12 more DPS than before the patch, I would like to remind you Bucky is bursting for over 450 headshot damage in that time frame not counting his full kit of CC and over 400 health, anyone calling him a tank buster is just dumb, against the highest HP tank Groot he does 196 DPS, the majority of DPS do around these numbers without headshotting from range, and all but the pure DPS healers heal more per second than that, alone.
Yet what no one is even talking about is his damage is neutered against deployables, he cannot kill them anymore with his sad DPS, takes over a second to kill a single Loki rune.
There's literally no reason to play him over a DPS Jeff, Jeff does 113 compared to Iron Fist's 118, but those numbers are wrong, because burst damage in a second is more important, the first shot is instant and free, so his instant 1 second damage is 178, yet Jeff has far more self healing and mobility, and a better ultimate, yet he can also heal his team from the enemy backline and take reduced head shot damage with a smaller hitbox in general.
I always felt Iron Fist was similar to Captain America, both go to the backline and annoy the enemy, least Iron Fist might get a kill occasionally, now they are literally the same character, but Iron Fist is just him but worse. He was already bad, never understood people complaining about a character that does 150 DPS when the majority can easily headshot him as he can't move while hitting you any good, locking himself in a terrible position to just be melted down with more than double his DPS, flying characters complaining was always the funniest, since he can only do his like 80 DPS against Iron Man melting him at 220 while in a position to be healed and close to other allies to help melt him, while Iron Fist couldn't even use his block to kill them any good only to attempt to flee, new Human Torch is literally using a shotgun with headshots, he is free food and I've already seen people complain about this matchup, somehow. Every single strategist can easily beat Iron Fist in a 1 vs 1, and you are putting yourself in a potential 5 vs 1, minimum of 2 vs 1 where the other out heals your low damage, before patch, if they lose a 1 vs 1, it's on them, if they didn't turn it into a 2 vs 1, it's on them, if ranged DPS didn't turn around it's on them, in these cases he was a minor distraction to help your team pressure others while they are turned around, but Captain America could already do that for far longer, far more often, least Iron Fist back then could 3 hit combo people in about 1 second with prep time to waste his first 3 combo hits at the air, which was ruined if they got a heal at all, even self healing, and that was only 250 HP targets.
Yet they also removed his bunny hop tech for no reason, it was just a way to get back from spawn slightly faster and only for longer distances, and yet you can even still do it just far more annoying to do. Hundred animation cancels untouched that do more, yet Iron Fist and Mr. Fantastic are the only ones being fixed...

[melonLord]

Give it at least a day, dude. lol

[Dazper]

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you're an autistic rager

Even if I were, how does that change anything about my post.

It changes in the sense that what you said is no longer an argument, but malding/ragebait. People engaging with a post in good faith expect a reasonable response, not a deaf ear.
Obviously you get more of the latter in the internet, but that's reason enough to not engage in good faith with it.
On the topic, didn't they buff the cd reduction on his left click, for his right click? From 1s to 1.5s. More hp, more shields on a shorter cd invuln, added % dmg to that shorter cd, higher shields on a self-heal ability.... clearly now he's intended as more of a versatile tank-support character.
His kick still does more dmg to low hp targets, so i think his playstyle would be similar to frontline Magik: get your defensive cd back on the tank, use your mobility to go through him to isolated targets, use invlun to bait out cds/build shields, and use your kick to either finish a target or leave- repeat.
They moved value from his left click to more use of his right click, which is the most unique and skillfull part of his kit anyway. We'll see if it works out, but the intention imo is great.

[glaphen]

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Even if I were, how does that change anything about my post.

It changes in the sense that what you said is no longer an argument, but malding/ragebait. People engaging with a post in good faith expect a reasonable response, not a deaf ear.
Obviously you get more of the latter in the internet, but that's reason enough to not engage in good faith with it.
On the topic, didn't they buff the cd reduction on his left click, for his right click? From 1s to 1.5s. More hp, more shields on a shorter cd invuln, added % dmg to that shorter cd, higher shields on a self-heal ability.... clearly now he's intended as more of a versatile tank-support character.
His kick still does more dmg to low hp targets, so i think his playstyle would be similar to frontline Magik: get your defensive cd back on the tank, use your mobility to go through him to isolated targets, use invlun to bait out cds/build shields, and use your kick to either finish a target or leave- repeat.
They moved value from his left click to more use of his right click, which is the most unique and skillfull part of his kit anyway. We'll see if it works out, but the intention imo is great.

Yeah the .5 seconds per punch isn't much, it's still on 10 second cooldown when it finishes, now you have no bonus HP or reduction and are getting 1.5 per hit while tickling people, there's no reason he doesn't just die if he attempts to lower cooldown midfight beyond bad aim from the enemies. More shields only happens if they even do more damage to your block, if they don't then it won't give more, you can get 0 from the skill the whole match if the enemy team is good enough to not attack into it, more shields on self heal is the least useful thing this patch, it's nearly fully gone by the time you reach the enemy unless you do it 2 feet away behind a wall and you don't get the shields unless you are mostly full health when using it.
His kick does do 115 burst, but even Strange does up to 130, in an AoE, on an 8 second cooldown, it's your only escape ability, even before patch it's hard to use it to kill because you are a sitting duck unless you haven't blocked yet, but damage without blocking was always lower than a tank. Magik can do over 300 damage in nearly an instant with animation canceling, and her cooldowns are like half Iron Fists, she also gets shields just doing damage. What you are describing is his previous playstyle, which was just nerfed, was hard enough to do before but now your damage is even lower.
But that value is useless when Captain America and Jeff already do that better in every way.
Oh and comparing Strange isn't even the best, we can compare Captain America to his kick, 70 damage on 8 second cooldown, even bounces for random hits, vs 115 on 12, only doing damage in slightly circle around you, in the cooldown duration, Captain America is doing 105 vs his 115, and he has the season bonus to thank for not losing that...But Captain America low cooldown is far more useful and he has 2 other escape options along with faster speed permanently and a shield, that is his escape and damage in one long cooldown skill, while Captain America can use it to poke for ultimate charge even it's so low as it's also long range. Not to mention the animation speed for shield throw is a bit faster than his kick. You also can't miss since even if you do it will hit floor and bounce for 20% less damage hitting anyway, but Iron Fist misses he is in the middle of nowhere far out of range of even attempting to melee again.

[HighLanderPony]

But do Capn and Jeff go "Hue Ching Chang Wah!"?

Thought so.

[N]

Tbf you do have a lot of good points. I'm a lord IF and the rebalance scared me mainly because it sounded alright on paper but the act of using his kit to its max potential seemed like a lot of work that would be very hard to keep consistent. After playing with the rebalance, I have to say he feels even worse than before. Although the extra dmg against tanks is nice. I go into a fight with 150 extra shield, activate my parry and still die before it gets off cooldown. I think another one of his problems is how linear his attacks are, because it makes it extremely easy to line up headshots and shut him down. It's still early into the new patch so I'm going to keep trying to make him work, but for now it might be better to find another character to learn. It just feels like I'm throwing by picking IF since everyone can contribute more to the team than he can after the rebalance.

[IndianaJones]

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Iron Fist Was Nerfed

About time.

[akqpars]

Nerfed ? He is getting banned instead of wolverine at one above all now. You are delulu and must be scorched from existence.

[glaphen]

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Nerfed ? He is getting banned instead of wolverine at one above all now. You are delulu and must be scorched from existence.

Show any proof, Wolverine is good because he does a lot more damage to tanks, and the grab brings them to your team to burst down with him and CCs after landing, Iron Fist can only stand infront of the his own tank and the enemy tank and punch while the healers have free reign to heal and kill him, simply activating his damage reduction gives Wolverine 490 HP that the healer can always heal, and even if he dies he gets healed once per 90 seconds reduced by 10 per kill participation. Like you realize Wolverine does 260 DPS to Groot vs Iron Fist's 196 and 194 to Strange vs Iron Fist's 162, and Bucky does over 450 in that same time frame, literally only reason Wolverine is used is because of the CC that prevents healers from healing from taking tank out of position that hits through Strange and Magneto shield, Bucky can also pull even further.

[countducky]

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This patch was just a huge nerf to the already worst character in the game. Why was it a nerf? Because there's no point in playing him when Captain America and DPS Jeff exist, and I say this as a Captain America main. He literally does the same thing as Captain America at this point but worse, and Captain America was already Hulk but worse, he only does 118 DPS to squishy targets, with season buff and only AFTER he uses his 15 second cooldown, before that he only does a joke like 70 DPS, less than every tank in the game besides Mr. Fantastic, but Mr. Fantastic has inflated and had his animation cancel to burst, note, had because drastically nerfed him too this patch by removing it, still does more with a timed cancel anyway, and they also lowered his inflated uptime for a useless knockback. Captain America already does 90 DPS without animation cancel, with it he does a lot more, how much, not bothering to check, but obviously more than 120 and can cancel with shield throw for 70 burst, only advantage Iron Fist has is his kick cancel doing 115 burst damage, but that's also your only escape tool, and has a disgusting 12 second cooldown.
50 extra HP is nice but you already had that from meditate, now meditate wastes 1.5 seconds for 150 health, but with decay you only get maybe 50 health if people look at you quick enough, but not quick enough to hit you while meditating, the extra 50 damage from block is nice, but that is the max block, if people don't stupidly shoot your block for an extra 34 damage on top of the rest that gave 150, you didn't gain anything from the buff, it mainly buffed his ultimate survivability, but it's still one of the worst in the game, now even worse since his damage is literally only 153, 3 DPS higher than before the "buff", OUTSIDE OF HIS ULTIMATE. In the end his health was barely buffed unless the enemy hits his block even more than before or let's him charge his meditate 2 feet away. The extra .5 second per melee attack reduction on his block is a joke, since at that time you would only have 300 HP and melt, even meditating before hand it will be hard to get his block back before the enemy kills you when you stand still in front of your tank and the enemy tank because his auto lock makes him highly immobile and hurts more than it helps.
The tank damage is a joke, 1.7% per hit is nothing, against Strange you only do 162 DPS, 12 more DPS than before the patch, I would like to remind you Bucky is bursting for over 450 headshot damage in that time frame not counting his full kit of CC and over 400 health, anyone calling him a tank buster is just dumb, against the highest HP tank Groot he does 196 DPS, the majority of DPS do around these numbers without headshotting from range, and all but the pure DPS healers heal more per second than that, alone.
Yet what no one is even talking about is his damage is neutered against deployables, he cannot kill them anymore with his sad DPS, takes over a second to kill a single Loki rune.
There's literally no reason to play him over a DPS Jeff, Jeff does 113 compared to Iron Fist's 118, but those numbers are wrong, because burst damage in a second is more important, the first shot is instant and free, so his instant 1 second damage is 178, yet Jeff has far more self healing and mobility, and a better ultimate, yet he can also heal his team from the enemy backline and take reduced head shot damage with a smaller hitbox in general.
I always felt Iron Fist was similar to Captain America, both go to the backline and annoy the enemy, least Iron Fist might get a kill occasionally, now they are literally the same character, but Iron Fist is just him but worse. He was already bad, never understood people complaining about a character that does 150 DPS when the majority can easily headshot him as he can't move while hitting you any good, locking himself in a terrible position to just be melted down with more than double his DPS, flying characters complaining was always the funniest, since he can only do his like 80 DPS against Iron Man melting him at 220 while in a position to be healed and close to other allies to help melt him, while Iron Fist couldn't even use his block to kill them any good only to attempt to flee, new Human Torch is literally using a shotgun with headshots, he is free food and I've already seen people complain about this matchup, somehow. Every single strategist can easily beat Iron Fist in a 1 vs 1, and you are putting yourself in a potential 5 vs 1, minimum of 2 vs 1 where the other out heals your low damage, before patch, if they lose a 1 vs 1, it's on them, if they didn't turn it into a 2 vs 1, it's on them, if ranged DPS didn't turn around it's on them, in these cases he was a minor distraction to help your team pressure others while they are turned around, but Captain America could already do that for far longer, far more often, least Iron Fist back then could 3 hit combo people in about 1 second with prep time to waste his first 3 combo hits at the air, which was ruined if they got a heal at all, even self healing, and that was only 250 HP targets.
Yet they also removed his bunny hop tech for no reason, it was just a way to get back from spawn slightly faster and only for longer distances, and yet you can even still do it just far more annoying to do. Hundred animation cancels untouched that do more, yet Iron Fist and Mr. Fantastic are the only ones being fixed...

Tl:DR i am happy or sry for you <3

[Ryan Gyattling]

Nah, new Iron Fist is good and I’m having more fun with him post-buff. He has greater survivability is stronger against tanks, and the squishies where his DPS is nerfed you still magnetize to them it doesn’t take much longer to KO than before. Catch them by surprise instead of head on, also he can deal with fliers like Iron Man Storm and Torch easy and even can get even get Rocket Racoon

[glaphen]

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Nah, new Iron Fist is good and I’m having more fun with him post-buff. He has greater survivability is stronger against tanks, and the squishies where his DPS is nerfed you still magnetize to them it doesn’t take much longer to KO than before. Catch them by surprise instead of head on, also he can deal with fliers like Iron Man Storm and Torch easy and even can get even get Rocket Racoon

Ok, and you would have more fun with Captain America, as he is literally him but better, or DPS Jeff in a triple healer comp if you can learn to quick bubble yourself. As for not taking longer, that is just wrong, there's a massive difference between 150 DPS and 118, you realize every single healers has at minimum 30 HPS self healing, so before he was doing less than 120 DPS to healers on their own, now he is doing less than 88, he never could kill if anyone was being healed anyway. He can target tanks but he is just trash against them, he doesn't have the survivability to stay frontline, and doesn't have the DPS to out damage healing.
Oh i didn't even see the deal with fliers, lmao, how low rank are you to win against flying, they all do more than double his DPS or even triple and you are put in a position that the enemy can easily focus you and heal the flier, while you can't even block because you will do even less DPS when the falling between punches make you miss half. Rocket Raccoon heals 31.5 health a second and Iron Fist punches at like 70 DPS, and if you block he just has to go up instead of left/right and you can't hurt him for 5 seconds. Human Torch literally has a shotgun that headshots, there isn't a free'er kill in the game than Iron Fist sending himself to the perfect spot below him to be headshot and standing there in the same position.

[glaphen]

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Ryan Gosling lähetti viestin:

Nah, new Iron Fist is good and I’m having more fun with him post-buff. He has greater survivability is stronger against tanks, and the squishies where his DPS is nerfed you still magnetize to them it doesn’t take much longer to KO than before. Catch them by surprise instead of head on, also he can deal with fliers like Iron Man Storm and Torch easy and even can get even get Rocket Racoon

Ok, and you would have more fun with Captain America, as he is literally him but better, or DPS Jeff in a triple healer comp if you can learn to quick bubble yourself. As for not taking longer, that is just wrong, there's a massive difference between 150 DPS and 118, you realize every single healers has at minimum 30 HPS self healing, so before he was doing less than 120 DPS to healers on their own, now he is doing less than 88, he never could kill if anyone was being healed anyway. He can target tanks but he is just trash against them, he doesn't have the survivability to stay frontline, and doesn't have the DPS to out damage healing.
Oh i didn't even see the deal with fliers, lmao, how low rank are you to win against flying, they all do more than double his DPS or even triple and you are put in a position that the enemy can easily focus you and heal the flier, while you can't even block because you will do even less DPS when the falling between punches make you miss half. Rocket Raccoon heals 31.5 health a second and Iron Fist punches at like 70 DPS, and if you block he just has to go up instead of left/right and you can't hurt him for 5 seconds. Human Torch literally has a shotgun that headshots, there isn't a free'er kill in the game than Iron Fist sending himself to the perfect spot below him to be headshot and standing there in the same position.

And you know I don't know why I bothered acting like Rocket is just going to run, he has 385 headshot DPS, he does nearly 4 times Iron Fist's 114 DPS to him and can kill him in less than 2 seconds at full block, and if you had already shot a heal to bounce at your position you still get the 31.5 HPS while hitting, but everyone plays him as a useless heal bot for barely any healing practically trolling.

[Shuyin178]

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Nah, new Iron Fist is good and I’m having more fun with him post-buff. He has greater survivability is stronger against tanks, and the squishies where his DPS is nerfed you still magnetize to them it doesn’t take much longer to KO than before. Catch them by surprise instead of head on, also he can deal with fliers like Iron Man Storm and Torch easy and even can get even get Rocket Racoon

Ok, and you would have more fun with Captain America, as he is literally him but better

Here is the issue, Captain American can do nothing to flyers. Every character has something they can do and things they cannot, Iron Fist with the questionable way his kit was formed allows him to fight fliers by magically magnetizing to them. Captain America, who is also a melee character, cannot touch flyers unless they are extremely close to the ground for whatever bronze reason they would have. Iron Fist can also fight tanks which Captain America cannot because of his low damage, Iron Fist can self heal, which Captain America cannot, Iron Fist can run on walls to escape or get surprise angles almost nobody else can come from, which Captain America cannot, and more.
You are trying to argue over nothing, defending over nothing, it's just a waste of time.

[glaphen]

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Ok, and you would have more fun with Captain America, as he is literally him but better

Here is the issue, Captain American can do nothing to flyers. Every character has something they can do and things they cannot, Iron Fist with the questionable way his kit was formed allows him to fight fliers by magically magnetizing to them. Captain America, who is also a melee character, cannot touch flyers unless they are extremely close to the ground for whatever bronze reason they would have. Iron Fist can also fight tanks which Captain America cannot because of his low damage, Iron Fist can self heal, which Captain America cannot, Iron Fist can run on walls to escape or get surprise angles almost nobody else can come from, which Captain America cannot, and more.
You are trying to argue over nothing, defending over nothing, it's just a waste of time.

You realize Captain America is better at dealing with flight than Iron Fist right, every time you do 2 melee punches you get 4 ranged shield throws, Captain America even counters Iron Man ultimate, 4 shield throws + 1 shield skill = 250 damage, he can literally snipe fliers from the sky, and the shield throws even have auto tracking. Meanwhile Iron Fist has to go melee them in the sky, directly above the enemy team, and they heavily out damage him, he is literally the worst character in the game for dealing with flight, I mean literally, there is no character worse than him for dealing with flight. Iron Fist damage against tanks is also pathetically low even after the changes, every other DPS does higher, and he barely does more than Captain America, he doesn't do enough to impact the fight at all against tanks when they are being healed, he would be more useful distracting the healers so they don't heal them for 200+ a second getting ultimate charge, and that's each, you distract 2, that's 400 healing the tank ain't getting, and Captain America does that better after the patch. Captain America doesn't even need to surprise the enemy, he is doing his job by jumping in and getting attention, Iron Fist only needs to because he has no survivability, wall running to escape is garbage compared to 34% increased movement speed jumps and 2 escape skills.

[asdaf]

did any one else notice u cant bhop on iron fist anymore? thats the biggest nerf ever

and ur right dps jeff is the best assassin diver, but iron fist was fun because of the bhop mobility