Iron Fist Was Nerfed

[glaphen]

This patch was just a huge nerf to the already worst character in the game. Why was it a nerf? Because there's no point in playing him when Captain America and DPS Jeff exist, and I say this as a Captain America main. He literally does the same thing as Captain America at this point but worse, and Captain America was already Hulk but worse, he only does 118 DPS to squishy targets, with season buff and only AFTER he uses his 15 second cooldown, before that he only does a joke like 70 DPS, less than every tank in the game besides Mr. Fantastic, but Mr. Fantastic has inflated and had his animation cancel to burst, note, had because drastically nerfed him too this patch by removing it, still does more with a timed cancel anyway, and they also lowered his inflated uptime for a useless knockback. Captain America already does 90 DPS without animation cancel, with it he does a lot more, how much, not bothering to check, but obviously more than 120 and can cancel with shield throw for 70 burst, only advantage Iron Fist has is his kick cancel doing 115 burst damage, but that's also your only escape tool, and has a disgusting 12 second cooldown.
50 extra HP is nice but you already had that from meditate, now meditate wastes 1.5 seconds for 150 health, but with decay you only get maybe 50 health if people look at you quick enough, but not quick enough to hit you while meditating, the extra 50 damage from block is nice, but that is the max block, if people don't stupidly shoot your block for an extra 34 damage on top of the rest that gave 150, you didn't gain anything from the buff, it mainly buffed his ultimate survivability, but it's still one of the worst in the game, now even worse since his damage is literally only 153, 3 DPS higher than before the "buff", OUTSIDE OF HIS ULTIMATE. In the end his health was barely buffed unless the enemy hits his block even more than before or let's him charge his meditate 2 feet away. The extra .5 second per melee attack reduction on his block is a joke, since at that time you would only have 300 HP and melt, even meditating before hand it will be hard to get his block back before the enemy kills you when you stand still in front of your tank and the enemy tank because his auto lock makes him highly immobile and hurts more than it helps.
The tank damage is a joke, 1.7% per hit is nothing, against Strange you only do 162 DPS, 12 more DPS than before the patch, I would like to remind you Bucky is bursting for over 450 headshot damage in that time frame not counting his full kit of CC and over 400 health, anyone calling him a tank buster is just dumb, against the highest HP tank Groot he does 196 DPS, the majority of DPS do around these numbers without headshotting from range, and all but the pure DPS healers heal more per second than that, alone.
Yet what no one is even talking about is his damage is neutered against deployables, he cannot kill them anymore with his sad DPS, takes over a second to kill a single Loki rune.
There's literally no reason to play him over a DPS Jeff, Jeff does 113 compared to Iron Fist's 118, but those numbers are wrong, because burst damage in a second is more important, the first shot is instant and free, so his instant 1 second damage is 178, yet Jeff has far more self healing and mobility, and a better ultimate, yet he can also heal his team from the enemy backline and take reduced head shot damage with a smaller hitbox in general.
I always felt Iron Fist was similar to Captain America, both go to the backline and annoy the enemy, least Iron Fist might get a kill occasionally, now they are literally the same character, but Iron Fist is just him but worse. He was already bad, never understood people complaining about a character that does 150 DPS when the majority can easily headshot him as he can't move while hitting you any good, locking himself in a terrible position to just be melted down with more than double his DPS, flying characters complaining was always the funniest, since he can only do his like 80 DPS against Iron Man melting him at 220 while in a position to be healed and close to other allies to help melt him, while Iron Fist couldn't even use his block to kill them any good only to attempt to flee, new Human Torch is literally using a shotgun with headshots, he is free food and I've already seen people complain about this matchup, somehow. Every single strategist can easily beat Iron Fist in a 1 vs 1, and you are putting yourself in a potential 5 vs 1, minimum of 2 vs 1 where the other out heals your low damage, before patch, if they lose a 1 vs 1, it's on them, if they didn't turn it into a 2 vs 1, it's on them, if ranged DPS didn't turn around it's on them, in these cases he was a minor distraction to help your team pressure others while they are turned around, but Captain America could already do that for far longer, far more often, least Iron Fist back then could 3 hit combo people in about 1 second with prep time to waste his first 3 combo hits at the air, which was ruined if they got a heal at all, even self healing, and that was only 250 HP targets.
Yet they also removed his bunny hop tech for no reason, it was just a way to get back from spawn slightly faster and only for longer distances, and yet you can even still do it just far more annoying to do. Hundred animation cancels untouched that do more, yet Iron Fist and Mr. Fantastic are the only ones being fixed...

[neuralnetwork]

glaphen a écrit :

huge nerf
worst character
no point in playing him
Captain America
Captain America
Captain America
Captain America
he only does a joke like 70 DPS
Captain America already does 90 DPS
only advantage Iron Fist has is his kick

I kind of gave up after that.

Look, the update is new. Play for a few days, adapt and see how things work out.

Cap and Fist are very different heroes with different way to play them, completely different roles. Fist meditates, Cap reflects projectiles. One is a lone warrior capable of living forever even without health packs deep in the enemy lines, the other is a fast diver vanguard.

You can't really compare the two, apples to oranges and all that.

[glaphen]

neuralnetwork a écrit :

glaphen a écrit :

huge nerf
worst character
no point in playing him
Captain America
Captain America
Captain America
Captain America
he only does a joke like 70 DPS
Captain America already does 90 DPS
only advantage Iron Fist has is his kick

I kind of gave up after that.

Look, the update is new. Play for a few days, adapt and see how things work out.

Cap and Fist are very different heroes with different way to play them, completely different roles. Fist meditates, Cap reflects projectiles. One is a lone warrior capable of living forever even without health packs deep in the enemy lines, the other is a fast diver vanguard.

You can't really compare the two, apples to oranges and all that.

Maybe learn basic math and logic so you can know these things without needing to play, or learn to read so you can understand from the people who already can do these things. Read my post and understand it before you reply. Iron Fist even at full block and health is literally a 650 health character from the 30% damage reduction, he cannot live forever, he is less mobile than Captain America mid combat, and he has a shield even, and if you read my post he does less damage than Captain America.

[neuralnetwork]

glaphen a écrit :

Maybe learn basic math and logic so you can know these things without needing to play, or learn to read so you can understand from the people who already can do these things. Read my post and understand it before you reply.

Key words, "kind of".

What was wrong in what I said?

[glaphen]

neuralnetwork a écrit :

glaphen a écrit :

Maybe learn basic math and logic so you can know these things without needing to play, or learn to read so you can understand from the people who already can do these things. Read my post and understand it before you reply.

Key words, "kind of".

What was wrong in what I said?

I just wrote the rest in the edit, Iron Fist even at full block and health is literally a 650 health character from the 30% damage reduction, he cannot live forever, he is less mobile than Captain America mid combat, and he has a shield even, and if you read my post he does less damage than Captain America. Again if the enemy hits your block to full bonus, then he becomes a tank for 5 seconds, a tank that can't be healed unless low HP already, but he does less than the tanks damage at all times, if you don't hit his block he is less tanky than Bucky, and even with tank HP, he doesn't have any other survivability mechanic like they do at that time.

[neuralnetwork]

glaphen a écrit :

I just wrote the rest in the edit, Iron Fist even at full block and health is literally a 650 health character from the 30% damage reduction, he cannot live forever, he is less mobile than Captain America mid combat, and he has a shield even, and if you read my post he does less damage than Captain America. Again if the enemy hits your block to full bonus, then he becomes a tank for 5 seconds, a tank that can't be healed unless low HP already, but he does less than the tanks damage at all times, if you don't hit his block he is less tanky than Bucky.

Right, replied before you finished the edit.

None of this addresses the fact that they serve a different purpose, a different role. I don't quite understand why are you comparing Cap and Fist in the first place. It's like saying Groot is overpowered because he has more health than Psylocke.

[glaphen]

neuralnetwork a écrit :

glaphen a écrit :

I just wrote the rest in the edit, Iron Fist even at full block and health is literally a 650 health character from the 30% damage reduction, he cannot live forever, he is less mobile than Captain America mid combat, and he has a shield even, and if you read my post he does less damage than Captain America. Again if the enemy hits your block to full bonus, then he becomes a tank for 5 seconds, a tank that can't be healed unless low HP already, but he does less than the tanks damage at all times, if you don't hit his block he is less tanky than Bucky.

Right, replied before you finished the edit.

None of this addresses the fact that they serve a different purpose, a different role. I don't quite understand why are you comparing Cap and Fist in the first place. It's like saying Groot is overpowered because he has more health than Psylocke.

If you cannot read my post, then stop replying, I have already made every possible point to PROVE they have the exact same playstyle and kit now, but he is just worse than Captain America, they did have a slightly different role before the patch, now they do not, and even DPS Jeff, does the same role far better with more things he can do than Iron Fist.

[neuralnetwork]

glaphen a écrit :

If you cannot read my post, then stop replying, I have already made every possible point to PROVE they have the exact same playstyle and kit now, but he is just worse than Captain America, they did have a slightly different role before the patch, now they do not, and even DPS Jeff, does the same role far better with more things he can do than Iron Fist.

Exact same kit? Alright, I guess you got me.

[glaphen]

neuralnetwork a écrit :

glaphen a écrit :

If you cannot read my post, then stop replying, I have already made every possible point to PROVE they have the exact same playstyle and kit now, but he is just worse than Captain America, they did have a slightly different role before the patch, now they do not, and even DPS Jeff, does the same role far better with more things he can do than Iron Fist.

Exact same kit? Alright, I guess you got me.

I did, you can't even make an argument against it, because you can't even read.

[Shuyin178]

So you are a Captain America player...... that is complaining about a nerf to a character you don't even use...... what?
Also, Iron Fist wasn't nerfed, he was rebalanced. Yes, his base damage went down a bit, but now he is a tank buster with that % HP damage on his enhanced primary attack. He hits so many times that unless the person being attacked is healed, he will kill them before they kill him.
You're also forgetting about his guard that not only has an extended duration, but also gained more shield value, his meditation gained more shield value, and he gained 50 base health. He is much more durable now if you use him correctly and has the damage to shred.

[glaphen]

Shuyin178 a écrit :

So you are a Captain America player...... that is complaining about a nerf to a character you don't even use...... what?
Also, Iron Fist wasn't nerfed, he was rebalanced. Yes, his base damage went down a bit, but now he is a tank buster with that % HP damage on his enhanced primary attack. He hits so many times that unless the person being attacked is healed, he will kill them before they kill him.
You're also forgetting about his guard that not only has an extended duration, but also gained more shield value, his meditation gained more shield value, and he gained 50 base health. He is much more durable now if you use him correctly and has the damage to shred.

I said people calling him a tank buster were dumb in the 1st post, you are calling him a tank buster, next you will call Scarlet WItch a tank buster, because she also does HP% damage, literally he will never kill anyone being healed, even before patch.
They didn't extend the duration at all? It's still 1 second block, I didn't even forget it, I mentioned it if you could read, mentioned all of these things. He literally does less damage than every single character in the game at this point when not hitting tanks, and when hitting tanks, even the tankiest Groot 850 HP, almost every DPS does more than him without even headshotting from a distance.
Like seriously you do realize he hits Groot for 196 DPS now, Iron Man who is also Iron is doing 190 DPS without the team up from 25 meters away, and he does that to every single target. And he does that 196 because of the season bonus, if that went away it would only be 171 DPS. Squirrel Girl does 165 DPS and not even counting her 1 second burst being over 220.

[glaphen]

Also do note I do think the patch "buffed" him, he is a stronger character than before, but as I was saying, there's literally no reason to use him over Captain America or DPS Jeff, he brings absolutely nothing to the table over them and does the exact same thing as the "buff" made him into them but purely inferior.

[MorgnMuffin]

terrible rage bait

[glaphen]

MorgnMuffin a écrit :

terrible rage bait

Terrible argument, how is it rage bait? If you are raging because you can't think up a counter-argument, that's on you.

[kavinh]

glaphen a écrit :

neuralnetwork a écrit :

I kind of gave up after that.

Look, the update is new. Play for a few days, adapt and see how things work out.

Cap and Fist are very different heroes with different way to play them, completely different roles. Fist meditates, Cap reflects projectiles. One is a lone warrior capable of living forever even without health packs deep in the enemy lines, the other is a fast diver vanguard.

You can't really compare the two, apples to oranges and all that.

Maybe learn basic math and logic so you can know these things without needing to play, or learn to read so you can understand from the people who already can do these things. Read my post and understand it before you reply. Iron Fist even at full block and health is literally a 650 health character from the 30% damage reduction, he cannot live forever, he is less mobile than Captain America mid combat, and he has a shield even, and if you read my post he does less damage than Captain America.

you're an autistic rager

[glaphen]

kavinh a écrit :

glaphen a écrit :

Maybe learn basic math and logic so you can know these things without needing to play, or learn to read so you can understand from the people who already can do these things. Read my post and understand it before you reply. Iron Fist even at full block and health is literally a 650 health character from the 30% damage reduction, he cannot live forever, he is less mobile than Captain America mid combat, and he has a shield even, and if you read my post he does less damage than Captain America.

you're an autistic rager

Even if I were, how does that change anything about my post.