Unique Strategist Ults

[Thing of Chaos]

Does anyone else not like that 3 characters (basically 4 if you count Mantis' HOT ult) have basically the same ult of "I use this so my team won't die from non-massive burst damage here"? I just really find it lame and boring

[orchid]

Yeah like apart from the american crowds glazing the title because it contains marvel characters, the roster feels flat and rather basic considering they have one of the biggest IP's in the world

However we can blame straight men for this as their constant need for sexual gratification in video games means we got dumbed down characters with jiggly cheeks instead of thoughtful well designed characters

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by orchid:

Yeah like apart from the american crowds glazing the title because it contains marvel characters, the roster feels flat and rather basic considering they have one of the biggest IP's in the world

However we can blame straight men for this as their constant need for sexual gratification in video games means we got dumbed down characters with jiggly cheeks instead of thoughtful well designed characters

That's not even my main point. I think the roster is really cool and most characters play very uniquely. The issue is just those three supports imo, especially when you could easily change to have different supportive effects.

The entire reason I like Strategists like Rocket and Adam is because they don't just feel like "I will do nothing but heal and counter-ult". You can do more with them, and you can especially play more out of the box with their ults. I just don't like those three

[neuralnetwork]

Originally posted by Thing of Chaos:

That's not even my main point. I think the roster is really cool and most characters play very uniquely. The issue is just those three supports imo, especially when you could easily change to have different supportive effects.

The entire reason I like Strategists like Rocket and Adam is because they don't just feel like "I will do nothing but heal and counter-ult". You can do more with them, and you can especially play more out of the box with their ults. I just don't like those three

That other dude either felt a need to unload something bottled up or just derail your thread from the get go, either way better to leave it.

As for the topic, don't really agree with the whole premise. Sure, Luna & Mantis are rather similar but even CnD is already distinct enough with the area effect and different activation with the dashes.
We have Jeff with unique hero kindnap mechanism, Rocket with his dps buff, Adam with party revive, Invisible Woman with, well, invisibility (yeah yeah it heals too) etc.

They are still strategists so makes sense to me that the ults in general do lean on buffs and sustain.
Then if we look at duelists, what do they do? Surprise, damage! And tanks have an emphasis for control and sustain. Yes they do damage too but overall the themes seem clear.

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by neuralnetwork:

Originally posted by Thing of Chaos:

That's not even my main point. I think the roster is really cool and most characters play very uniquely. The issue is just those three supports imo, especially when you could easily change to have different supportive effects.

The entire reason I like Strategists like Rocket and Adam is because they don't just feel like "I will do nothing but heal and counter-ult". You can do more with them, and you can especially play more out of the box with their ults. I just don't like those three

That other dude either felt a need to unload something bottled up or just derail your thread from the get go, either way better to leave it.

As for the topic, don't really agree with the whole premise. Sure, Luna & Mantis are rather similar but even CnD is already distinct enough with the area effect and different activation with the dashes.
We have Jeff with unique hero kindnap mechanism, Rocket with his dps buff, Adam with party revive, Invisible Woman with, well, invisibility (yeah yeah it heals too) etc.

They are still strategists so makes sense to me that the ults in general do lean on buffs and sustain.
Then if we look at duelists, what do they do? Surprise, damage! And tanks have an emphasis for control and sustain. Yes they do damage too but overall the themes seem clear.

Duelists are not constantly the same though. Yes, they do damage, but it's not like there are 5 heroes with ults almost like Iron Man's. The strategists I'm talking about do, with slight differences. Luna has major heals or damage buff in an area around her. Invis Woman picks an area to make people invisible and major heals and invises everyone in it. C&D dash over a path that has major heals and DOTs enemies on it. C&D are more unique, I guess, but I just find it boring to not try new or unique ults, just "h e a l s"

[Breakcore enthusiast]

Originally posted by Thing of Chaos:

Originally posted by neuralnetwork:

That other dude either felt a need to unload something bottled up or just derail your thread from the get go, either way better to leave it.

As for the topic, don't really agree with the whole premise. Sure, Luna & Mantis are rather similar but even CnD is already distinct enough with the area effect and different activation with the dashes.
We have Jeff with unique hero kindnap mechanism, Rocket with his dps buff, Adam with party revive, Invisible Woman with, well, invisibility (yeah yeah it heals too) etc.

They are still strategists so makes sense to me that the ults in general do lean on buffs and sustain.
Then if we look at duelists, what do they do? Surprise, damage! And tanks have an emphasis for control and sustain. Yes they do damage too but overall the themes seem clear.

Duelists are not constantly the same though. Yes, they do damage, but it's not like there are 5 heroes with ults almost like Iron Man's. The strategists I'm talking about do, with slight differences. Luna has major heals or damage buff in an area around her. Invis Woman picks an area to make people invisible and major heals and invises everyone in it. C&D dash over a path that has major heals and DOTs enemies on it. C&D are more unique, I guess, but I just find it boring to not try new or unique ults, just "h e a l s"

Tbf you can only make mass healing different in so many ways, Especially with an ult. I think that a lot of healers should have different style ults though, Maybe cloak and dagger increases healing gained while in it but doesnt actually heal on its own, But it does more damage and you gain a speed boost while in it (Both you and teamates) I think Luna is fine as her kit is the most healing based and it makes sense for her ult to be a big mass aoe heal, so keep that. Id say mantis ult could give a stat buff to all stats, and the ability to essentially nano someone with a seed (The first seed u use in ult acts like a nano boost from OW with maybe some other bonus effects) but either turn the healing down or just remove it.

[neuralnetwork]

Originally posted by Thing of Chaos:

Duelists are not constantly the same though. Yes, they do damage, but it's not like there are 5 heroes with ults almost like Iron Man's. The strategists I'm talking about do, with slight differences. Luna has major heals or damage buff in an area around her. Invis Woman picks an area to make people invisible and major heals and invises everyone in it. C&D dash over a path that has major heals and DOTs enemies on it. C&D are more unique, I guess, but I just find it boring to not try new or unique ults, just "h e a l s"

Fair enough, there's more variety among duelists but then again that's the most populated role at the moment. Meanwhile we have what, 8 strategists?

Healing is still the primary task strategists do, even if they can and should multitask with dps. I get where you're coming from but I don't see an issue with healers having healing ults. Currently a decent mix exists, it's not only super heals across the board.

I'm thinking that the triple support meta has maybe become too prominent and makes all strategists look alike. Luckily that strategy was just toned down so we might be seeing more variety in team compositions and more limelight for something like Adam who I think is currently the least favored pick from strategist pool.

Likely with new hero additions we'll be seeing more variety in the ultimates too. Still expect healing to have a pivotal role, but how and with what additional effects it'll be applied remains to be seen.
Invisible Woman was in my opinion a good indicator for that. Sure she heals but the ult is still thematic to her and has unique effects making her an interesting choice among others.

What would you like to see? More control effects, shields, invulnerability? Chances are that stuff like that is already in the works though things like that would fit vanguards as well.

[Thing of Chaos]

Originally posted by neuralnetwork:

Originally posted by Thing of Chaos:

Duelists are not constantly the same though. Yes, they do damage, but it's not like there are 5 heroes with ults almost like Iron Man's. The strategists I'm talking about do, with slight differences. Luna has major heals or damage buff in an area around her. Invis Woman picks an area to make people invisible and major heals and invises everyone in it. C&D dash over a path that has major heals and DOTs enemies on it. C&D are more unique, I guess, but I just find it boring to not try new or unique ults, just "h e a l s"

Fair enough, there's more variety among duelists but then again that's the most populated role at the moment. Meanwhile we have what, 8 strategists?

Healing is still the primary task strategists do, even if they can and should multitask with dps. I get where you're coming from but I don't see an issue with healers having healing ults. Currently a decent mix exists, it's not only super heals across the board.

I'm thinking that the triple support meta has maybe become too prominent and makes all strategists look alike. Luckily that strategy was just toned down so we might be seeing more variety in team compositions and more limelight for something like Adam who I think is currently the least favored pick from strategist pool.

Likely with new hero additions we'll be seeing more variety in the ultimates too. Still expect healing to have a pivotal role, but how and with what additional effects it'll be applied remains to be seen.
Invisible Woman was in my opinion a good indicator for that. Sure she heals but the ult is still thematic to her and has unique effects making her an interesting choice among others.

What would you like to see? More control effects, shields, invulnerability? Chances are that stuff like that is already in the works though things like that would fit vanguards as well.

I mean it's less easy to say "What do you want to see" with Rivals compared to something like Dead By Daylight, R6, Overwatch, etc. cause Marvel is pre-existing. Tbh I'd just be interested in focusing more on buffing team or weakening enemy over just a healing ult, bc you can do much more in that realm. The biggest thought I had was giving C&D a speed buff/nerf instead of heals. That way you can help carve a path or trap enemies easier