Why is everyone saying "Rocket go Luna or Cloak"?

[._e_n_g_i_n_e_e_r_.]

What's so special.

[Sibirian]

People are just dumb and play around defensive ults.
Rocket is fine.
He can shred dive tanks.
Has good healing capabilities.
Battle rez is a huge game changer.
Ult can decide team fights way more then some invincible ults can.
Amd if done right he is unkillable and can position everywherw through his bouncing orbs.
Not to mention the crazy team up ability that makes punisher ult twice in a row.

[Densiz]

rocket heal projectile is slow, cant heal air.
rocket's half of kit about boosting. If you have more than 1 flank, it will be useless.

luna ulti op
cloak ez, aoe, huge heals, can survive etc etc.

but
rocket is still fine. he is not easy to play like other classes.

[FentanylWallaby]

Rocket is cool

[♠Valour♠]

People like Luna and C&D because they're a crutch, when they ult, it doesn't matter how bad you are because you're essentially invincible.

[Crash]

Originally posted by Densiz:

rocket heal projectile is slow, cant heal air.
rocket's half of kit about boosting. If you have more than 1 flank, it will be useless.

luna ulti op
cloak ez, aoe, huge heals, can survive etc etc.

but
rocket is still fine. he is not easy to play like other classes.

Are we talking about the same Rocket here? nothing that you've typed about him is true.

Rocket can heal allies in the air easily, how exactly does he not? he just fires his ball in the direction he aims.

Rocket is the easiest support to play. No real aim required, positioning barely matters because you can stand half way down the map as long as you have LoS or a wall bounce position, and his survivability is insane due to 2 boosts and the ability to wall run while healing him self with his own orbs.

One of the most underrated things with Rocket is the fact that his E skill ressurects teammates, which can easily shift a potentially losing fight back into a winnable. Playing with his team-ups makes his support even better, especially paired with his own ult making either of them into a walking ult machine.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

Originally posted by Densiz:

rocket heal projectile is slow, cant heal air.
rocket's half of kit about boosting. If you have more than 1 flank, it will be useless.

luna ulti op
cloak ez, aoe, huge heals, can survive etc etc.

but
rocket is still fine. he is not easy to play like other classes.

You've never played rocket at all have you...

[Deadman'shand]

Majority of people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at the game and want a God puddle to stand in. Rocket is incredibly good when played by someone skilled but because he can't God puddle and prop up bad team mates, he is considered a bad pick.

[The22nd]

Originally posted by Sibirian:

People are just dumb and play around defensive ults.
Rocket is fine.
He can shred dive tanks.
Has good healing capabilities.
Battle rez is a huge game changer.
Ult can decide team fights way more then some invincible ults can.
Amd if done right he is unkillable and can position everywherw through his bouncing orbs.
Not to mention the crazy team up ability that makes punisher ult twice in a row.

Rocket cannot shred any dive tanks. You guys miss 80% of your shots

Rockets heals are functionally terrible. His heals slow at himself before they reach his team if he isn't max hp. Not only is his healing output low, he can't heal efficiently when it matters.

I think having support with superior healing output and a defensive ult is more of a game changer than a destructible revive beacon.

"Ult can decide team fights way more then some invincible ults can."

Yeah definitely decides team fights more than being INVINCIBLE

[Akasha]

Rocket has great healing...in a vacuum, the reason why people want meta healers over rocket is because they want burst healing vs rockets constant sustained low healing. They also want a healing ultimate to cancel out/sustain a push through other ultimates. Yeah you can have a rocket safely in the back spamming healing balls and having the perk, if your frontline never turns around, of being hard to dive with his escapes and wall run. He functions on teams already better than the opposition, otherwise the 50 armor and limited insta rez's are situational and be voided by divers who just happen to find it.

[HighLanderPony]

You're missing out on the best ults of the game.

[Echorion]

Play who you want.

A good Rocket will still out heal and out support a bad C&D/Luna. At least up until the very top bracket of players I suppose; but for 95% of the rest of the player base that holds true.

If you want optimal performance though, learn all of the supports and pick the one that best suits the team comp and dealing with the enemies comp. I would say that for Vanguard or Duelist players as well tbh.

When I play support for example I generally play Loki or Sue, but if I am having a hard time staying alive because I am being dived a LOT by multiple people; I might switch to Jeff who is better at self-protection.
If the team is diving too much/very high mobility and not staying where I can heal them or flying very high as flying DPS I will probably go Cloak and Dagger so I can heal them at a distance better.
It really just comes down to the best character for the situation; but if you don't know how to play a healer well or don't like playing them than odds are you'll do worse because you are not experienced with them or just not interested.

[Sibirian]

Originally posted by The22nd:

Originally posted by Sibirian:

People are just dumb and play around defensive ults.
Rocket is fine.
He can shred dive tanks.
Has good healing capabilities.
Battle rez is a huge game changer.
Ult can decide team fights way more then some invincible ults can.
Amd if done right he is unkillable and can position everywherw through his bouncing orbs.
Not to mention the crazy team up ability that makes punisher ult twice in a row.

Rocket cannot shred any dive tanks. You guys miss 80% of your shots

Rockets heals are functionally terrible. His heals slow at himself before they reach his team if he isn't max hp. Not only is his healing output low, he can't heal efficiently when it matters.

I think having support with superior healing output and a defensive ult is more of a game changer than a destructible revive beacon.

"Ult can decide team fights way more then some invincible ults can."

Yeah definitely decides team fights more than being INVINCIBLE :cigarskull:

He shreds dive tanks. The moment a venom is in your face, you cant miss your shoots...
If you do so, its not cause rocket is bad.

A good rocket uses is S key while healing when he is not full hp to get his orbs faster on his mates.
Sure if you just stand around and press roght click but if you do so you are a bad rocket sorry.

Yeah invincible ults.
You can have 3 lunas ult in a row, if no enemy dies, the ult is worthless.
40%dmg boost can atleast force some random picks when waönut Dps atleast hit 20% of theor shoots.
Yoz are underrating how much his dmg boost can help vs just standing in a invincible ult for 12 seconds.
The only thing holding rocket back is his team and sorry to say but all invincible ults in this game cant help you win when your dps all share only 1 brain cell.
That's why in low ranks everyone hates rocket and in higher ranks rocket is way more appreciated.
Most things people criticize on rocket comes from 0 game sense and/or 0 awareness how good a rocket can be for your team if he is played decently.

[._e_n_g_i_n_e_e_r_.]

Originally posted by Sibirian:

Originally posted by The22nd:

Rocket cannot shred any dive tanks. You guys miss 80% of your shots

Rockets heals are functionally terrible. His heals slow at himself before they reach his team if he isn't max hp. Not only is his healing output low, he can't heal efficiently when it matters.

I think having support with superior healing output and a defensive ult is more of a game changer than a destructible revive beacon.

"Ult can decide team fights way more then some invincible ults can."

Yeah definitely decides team fights more than being INVINCIBLE :cigarskull:

He shreds dive tanks. The moment a venom is in your face, you cant miss your shoots...
If you do so, its not cause rocket is bad.

A good rocket uses is S key while healing when he is not full hp to get his orbs faster on his mates.
Sure if you just stand around and press roght click but if you do so you are a bad rocket sorry.

Yeah invincible ults.
You can have 3 lunas ult in a row, if no enemy dies, the ult is worthless.
40%dmg boost can atleast force some random picks when waönut Dps atleast hit 20% of theor shoots.
Yoz are underrating how much his dmg boost can help vs just standing in a invincible ult for 12 seconds.
The only thing holding rocket back is his team and sorry to say but all invincible ults in this game cant help you win when your dps all share only 1 brain cell.
That's why in low ranks everyone hates rocket and in higher ranks rocket is way more appreciated.
Most things people criticize on rocket comes from 0 game sense and/or 0 awareness how good a rocket can be for your team if he is played decently.

Exactly, sometimes all she does is stripping and the situation is still stuck, on the other hand i clearly see the progress happening when i give damage boost to team, simply unstucks the push progress.
Also healing air is not an issue, self healing is a good thing but like mentioned you can escape the orb to let it pass to the team mates.
Revive is another great ability, sometimes enemies tear their ass to kill one of the tough team mates and instead of relief thinking their plan is working all they get is to see him again at full health.
Nonetheless team up with buck gives no reload and improved fire rate on his three bullet high damage shots.

[Akasha]

Originally posted by ._e_n_g_i_n_e_e_r_.:

Originally posted by Sibirian:

He shreds dive tanks. The moment a venom is in your face, you cant miss your shoots...
If you do so, its not cause rocket is bad.

A good rocket uses is S key while healing when he is not full hp to get his orbs faster on his mates.
Sure if you just stand around and press roght click but if you do so you are a bad rocket sorry.

Yeah invincible ults.
You can have 3 lunas ult in a row, if no enemy dies, the ult is worthless.
40%dmg boost can atleast force some random picks when waönut Dps atleast hit 20% of theor shoots.
Yoz are underrating how much his dmg boost can help vs just standing in a invincible ult for 12 seconds.
The only thing holding rocket back is his team and sorry to say but all invincible ults in this game cant help you win when your dps all share only 1 brain cell.
That's why in low ranks everyone hates rocket and in higher ranks rocket is way more appreciated.
Most things people criticize on rocket comes from 0 game sense and/or 0 awareness how good a rocket can be for your team if he is played decently.

Exactly, sometimes all she does is stripping and the situation is still stuck, on the other hand i clearly see the progress happening when i give damage boost to team, simply unstucks the push progress.
Also healing air is not an issue, self healing is a good thing but like mentioned you can escape the orb to let it pass to the team mates.
Revive is another great ability, sometimes enemies tear their ass to kill one of the tough team mates and instead of relief thinking their plan is working all they get is to see him again at full health.
Nonetheless team up with buck gives no reload and improved fire rate on his three bullet high damage shots.

If your teammates can't get a kill normally, giving them a damage boost may or may not help depending on their accuracy. Giving your teammates burst healing at a high HPs rate may not fix their accuracy but will buy them more time to finally hit something or give them the confidence (full hp bar that rubber bands) to apply pressure and force the kill.

If it's skilled players, what are the odds with this match making, then yeah rocket's buff is better because they'd still have standard healing behind it and the damage boost is enough to out pressure their incoming heals. That's a scenario with average players fighting average players, so milage always varies.

[Sibirian]

Originally posted by Akasha:

Originally posted by ._e_n_g_i_n_e_e_r_.:

Exactly, sometimes all she does is stripping and the situation is still stuck, on the other hand i clearly see the progress happening when i give damage boost to team, simply unstucks the push progress.
Also healing air is not an issue, self healing is a good thing but like mentioned you can escape the orb to let it pass to the team mates.
Revive is another great ability, sometimes enemies tear their ass to kill one of the tough team mates and instead of relief thinking their plan is working all they get is to see him again at full health.
Nonetheless team up with buck gives no reload and improved fire rate on his three bullet high damage shots.

If your teammates can't get a kill normally, giving them a damage boost may or may not help depending on their accuracy. Giving your teammates burst healing at a high HPs rate may not fix their accuracy but will buy them more time to finally hit something or give them the confidence (full hp bar that rubber bands) to apply pressure and force the kill.

If it's skilled players, what are the odds with this match making, then yeah rocket's buff is better because they'd still have standard healing behind it and the damage boost is enough to out pressure their incoming heals. That's a scenario with average players fighting average players, so milage always varies.

And there we go again.
So you are agreeing in low ranks it doesnt matter what ult you have cause its a coin flip if you win the fight or not.
So rockets ult is as good/bad as every invincible ult as long as you dont get decent teammates.
So then we can see how luna compares to rocket without ults.. Pro Luna: can heal 2 targets or anything her shift pierces, can freeze one character.
Con luna: cant heal more then one target out of los as long as ypu can heal someone in los, if she cant, she needs los to heal.
Besides shift low AoE heal capacities as she needs to shift her E around to get more healing on several people.

Pro rocket: can heal everyone even in aoe, can bring back 1 person before fights end, can heal people even without los when he knows how his bubbles bounce.
Con rocket:
His heal can be slowed down due to low hp on himself, battlerezz can be canceled, has 0 CC.

Sounds totaly fine for both with situations where rocket shines and situations where luna shines.