Quickplay makes dealing with spiderman feels like a chore and uninstall worthy

[kentuckyfriedsocks]

PSA I DO NOT BELIEVE SPIDERMAN IS STRONG OR OP. Only annoying and oppressive in a casual match where there's little communication or care about keeping the rest of your team alive or with little thinking power from your dps.

Everygame it feels like I see a spiderman, with or without a venom, and each time it feels like my team gets rolled. "just play namor" i would be leaving my other support to solo, or leaving my team without one at all. I don't even WANT to play namor, he's so boring. I wanted to play the dps that I WANT to play considering how hard it is to contest the role. Iron Man is one of them, and Spiderman is the hardest counter to all fliers, contrary to many Punisher believers. And the times I Do get a namor, they decide to play him as a Melee tank and fight a thing in a 1meter distance fight.

It's just so not fun to see my team unable to deal with a spiderman, all of my 3-4 dps comps incapable to 1v1'ing him as I watch and struggle to keep my team alive and moreso myself alive against full dive comps back to back every qp game.

it's unfathomable how often I play against 30 extremely competant full hard dive comps while I am stuck with anchor/immobile dps and support (adam warlock). It's even more tilting to see my dps aware that there's a spiderman being an issue, and swap to MOON KNIGHT. a very delayed mobility hero that gets ♥♥♥♥ on if he gets dove. EVEN MORE TILTING TO ME when said moon knight swaps happens 20 games in a row.

it's qp, i get that, but it'd be so much less tilting if I had a the ability to decide what I want to play without dismantling my entire teams survivability (to those that say, just dont play support) or to just DC from these games. This game has such a large pool of players with an EXTREMELY big playerbase that's active, so much so that 10 second queues feels 'too long' that backfill wouldn't be a availability issue. It'd be tilting to join a hard losing team, but I just don't care anymore. i'll do anything for 5 games without spiderman, just 5 games I have to stop constantly worrying about myself as support, or looking behind me. BP and psylocke have that ability, but they feel less annoying in a lower elo/casual setting.

[Adam]

Just play ranked, and ban Spider-Man.

[Kanami]

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[Quasiendo]

I'm not sure why you get owned by him( Spiderman ) because usually i don't find him threatening in most of my ranked or quick match. He's extremely easy to countered. I actually worried against other dive comp dps especially BP. Even on necros level spiderman i dont find it threatening.

Based on my experience to fight any diver actually is to out sustain them by simply ignore your teammates and keep yourself alive first and foremost. And then you make your positioning to get close to other teammates. Hugging your teammates also a great way to share your sustain.

Example: If i get dive as cloak i dome myself and fight him out close to my tanker. So i heal myself and my tanker while brawling him out whoever that is.

[ghaztles]

To be fair, it feels great when shutting down Spider-Mans in QP, especially when they are being sweaty.

We will have no power in what our team does or what the enemy team chooses to do, but we can learn to have fun and joy by making those Spider-Mans in QP regret picking that character.

Since we can't avoid the problem, we will have to adapt and find other solutions to have fun.

[SonnenKätzchen]

Originally posted by Quasiendo:

I'm not sure why you get owned by him( Spiderman ) because usually i don't find him threatening in most of my ranked or quick match. He's extremely easy to countered. I actually worried against other dive comp dps especially BP. Even on necros level spiderman i dont find it threatening.

Based on my experience to fight any diver actually is to out sustain them by simply ignore your teammates and keep yourself alive first and foremost. And then you make your positioning to get close to other teammates. Hugging your teammates also a great way to share your sustain.

Example: If i get dive as cloak i dome myself and fight him out close to my tanker. So i heal myself and my tanker while brawling him out whoever that is.

I always do this as support but he just 2 hit combos me and zipps away. Then I try to play dps and get no support from our supports. Like what am I supposed to do if our dps is actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and our tanks are terrible? I can never kill him cause he just runs away when I get him low. He's so annoying and I'm starting to absolutely hate this game because he's in every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

[melonLord]

Interesting. Most QP Spidermen are pretty awful in my experience. Good and oppressive Black Panthers are more common for me even though I see fewer BPs overall lol.

[Steve]

Originally posted by kentuckyfriedsocks:

it's qp, i get that, but it'd be so much less tilting if I had a the ability to decide what I want to play without dismantling my entire teams survivability (to those that say, just dont play support) or to just DC from these games.

The only thing this will teach a player is how to run from their problems.

Life is infamous for dealing bad hands to people. Gotta make it work. Sometimes, that means switching. Other times, it means working with the team to make sure the rest of the team is doing their jobs to the best of their abilities.

Originally posted by SonnenKätzchen:

I always do this as support but he just 2 hit combos me and zipps away. Then I try to play dps and get no support from our supports. Like what am I supposed to do if our dps is actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and our tanks are terrible? I can never kill him cause he just runs away when I get him low. He's so annoying and I'm starting to absolutely hate this game because he's in every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

First off, breathe. He's not unkillable. He just moves quickly. How do you best counter a highly mobile hero?

Take away their mobility. If they can't move, they can't fight. (Peni Parker is fantastic for this, btw, but there's others too -- Mantis, for example, has a stun.)

Also, stop thinking like you have to solo these threats. This is a TEAM game. Use the team to your advantage! If you've got a dive comp coming at you, stay close to your tanks. (Be mindful of any Moon Knights lurking about, of course.)

[Riggs]

Go Namor, pop squids, throw trident, insta melt him. GG

[Molotov!]

Originally posted by SonnenKätzchen:

Originally posted by Quasiendo:

I'm not sure why you get owned by him( Spiderman ) because usually i don't find him threatening in most of my ranked or quick match. He's extremely easy to countered. I actually worried against other dive comp dps especially BP. Even on necros level spiderman i dont find it threatening.

Based on my experience to fight any diver actually is to out sustain them by simply ignore your teammates and keep yourself alive first and foremost. And then you make your positioning to get close to other teammates. Hugging your teammates also a great way to share your sustain.

Example: If i get dive as cloak i dome myself and fight him out close to my tanker. So i heal myself and my tanker while brawling him out whoever that is.

I always do this as support but he just 2 hit combos me and zipps away. Then I try to play dps and get no support from our supports. Like what am I supposed to do if our dps is actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and our tanks are terrible? I can never kill him cause he just runs away when I get him low. He's so annoying and I'm starting to absolutely hate this game because he's in every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

I'm unsure if people are deliberately dishonest or not but to say he is "extremely" easily countered doesn't pass the smell test when so many people are picking him and bursting a backline healer before a 2nd rocket healing orb ever gets to the victim. There are only so many bans to go around.

I've seen it too many times that if I see a spiderman, i simply get off healer and go namor or bucky and just yell at the other clowns on my team to gang up on this 1 "terrible, useless, easily countered" hero until they swap off - 2 people minimum giving a lot of attention bandwidth for just a single hero who WILL delete a person in a laughably short amount of time, more so now with how many people will pick a venom when they see a spiderman on their team.

People weren't playing spiderman early on because they were convinced he is terrible because streamers who play in the top 0.01% couldn't bully a back line and repeatedly get away with it. Now that they watched a necros video, got a speed buff, and took some time to learn the movement, shorter than the time to learn basic c++, they can now repeatedly stomp on someone who had the audacity to use ANY of their abilities and have a cooldown that would otherwise save them from a near certain death.

What other hero demands multiple people from the other team to focus more on him than effectively the other 5?

To anyone else reading this that doesn't like spiderman - no, you're not crazy. There is a reason people are playing spider man a lot and why you've seen an increasing number of them run admin on lobbies. You've seen it.

Don't let people lie to you. But hey, who you gonna believe? Random posters who concoct scenarios where they have every cooldown ready and are never in the outdoors to get dove on? Or your own lying eyes?

[Steve]

Originally posted by Molotov!:

People weren't playing spiderman early on because they were convinced he is terrible because streamers who play in the top 0.01% couldn't bully a back line and repeatedly get away with it. Now that they watched a necros video, got a speed buff, and took some time to learn the movement, shorter than the time to learn basic c++, they can now repeatedly stomp on someone who had the audacity to use ANY of their abilities and have a cooldown that would otherwise save them from a near certain death.

You gotta knoooooooooooooow when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to waaaaaaaaaaaaaaalk away
And know when to run

- "The Gambler", Kenny Rogers

[Molotov!]

Originally posted by Steve:

Originally posted by Molotov!:

People weren't playing spiderman early on because they were convinced he is terrible because streamers who play in the top 0.01% couldn't bully a back line and repeatedly get away with it. Now that they watched a necros video, got a speed buff, and took some time to learn the movement, shorter than the time to learn basic c++, they can now repeatedly stomp on someone who had the audacity to use ANY of their abilities and have a cooldown that would otherwise save them from a near certain death.

You gotta knoooooooooooooow when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to waaaaaaaaaaaaaaalk away
And know when to run

- "The Gambler", Kenny Rogers

You're the sort of person I'm refering to;

You and others talk about making numerous people switch as if no one on the other team is valid for consideration and that everyone on your team even knows how to play said character.

This is the discussion in a nutshell. On my main account, I'll bully a lobby w/ a venom friend and its comical that people think that namor squids will reliably live long enough and that they're ALWAYS up, and that cd always has her escape, and most importantly, that I don't know how to have higher sens and just sling out the moment I can see I'm not securing the kill. Faster resets than whoever I'm trying to kill. Vast, vast majority of people aren't dialed in to whip shots at an upward of 80 degrees and actually hit me.

Every defense just "insert ideal scenario". Cool

[Steve]

Originally posted by Molotov!:

Originally posted by Steve:

You gotta knoooooooooooooow when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to waaaaaaaaaaaaaaalk away
And know when to run

- "The Gambler", Kenny Rogers

You're the

Stop right there, please. There's no need for the accusatory tone or defensive posturing. It's just a game, right?

Try more CC.

[Molotov!]

Its your burden if you don't like my tone, block me if you'd like, would suit your sensibilities.

[Steve]

Or you can just try not being so hostile and aggressive over a simple difference of opinion in a video game. XD

No? We're not gonna do that? Alright, then I'll just ask again -- how's it go when you try more CC?