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How to Defend from Divers as Strategist?
Hello, Strategist main here and I would like to have some advice to deal with the Duelist (primarily backline divers).

I usually play Invisible Woman, Luna Snow and Mantis and of the time and I straight up struggled dealing with really good Iron Fist, Psylocke and Spiderman mains. My defense abilities like sleep, force push and freeze does not matter since they just immediately chase me back or dodge said abilities and my Invisibility with IW feels are rather pointless when they kill me in less than a second

If you're a Grandmaster or above Strategist players (or just a good strategist player in general honestly), could you give me some insights of how you deal with divers especially against players who knows what they're doing? It can feel rather hopeless at times xd.
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Best advice is stick near a Tank or multiple friendly Duelists. Its your best bet for survival.
Timbermaw 7. mar. kl. 0:40 
Stick close to your other strategist, hope he heals you, try to land your CC, and hope the dps shoots him
Nihil 7. mar. kl. 0:45 
Also here i feel you with "sleep, freez, charm" ect being useless. Sadly CC-ing them isn't very helpful since the smallest damage against them will wake them up again. Every time I stun someone there is always someone or just a random AOE damage which makes them wake up again. I believe these Cc abilities should have a shorter uptime but shouldn't be interruptable.
Musoko 7. mar. kl. 1:23 
hit the CC or you are heading back to spawn
IW main here. Once you know the enemy has a diver, you have to play differently. Be very careful about using your push ability and double jump because you'll need both of those to escape a diver. Once they're on you (or better yet if you see them coming) push them away and double jump out. Be hyper aware of positioning. If they have a spiderman, try to have something over your head (a ledge, a roof, anything). If it's a black panther, try to play closer to your team than you're used to. Play close enough that BP can't dive you without hitting your team. Make it everyone's problem.
Steve 7. mar. kl. 4:01 
If you need to bring the party to your tanks, do so.
zopf76 ☭ 7. mar. kl. 4:03 
Teamplay is the Key in a Team play game...
Just be chad: play rocket or loki instead of women
Personally, I'd say the best thing to do is stick near teammates so that they can help you focus down divers when they happen to either scare them off or flat out kill them. Exp if you have characters like Namor who is fairly good against divers specifically.
miamew3 7. mar. kl. 5:14 
Communication is key when it comes to backline divers. Let your team know that you cant heal them if your constantly been killed by backline divers and that your being hunted down by Spiderman for example.

I find by communicating I get better protect as healer. I will stop hanging in the back and stick closer to my team. As soon as I see the diver I ping them and seeing as im standing closer to my team this usually leads to another member of the team coming to help get rid of the diver. I heal my defender while helping them defeat my diver before turning back to the main fight.
melonLord 7. mar. kl. 5:20 
Number one tip which people have hinted at here, if you have to retreat from someone diving you, do not retreat AWAY from the team!

Depending on who you play there are different strategies for dealing with being dived (Rocket boosts away and scurries along the walls to become stupidly hard to hit or kill, C+D either heal themselves and walk towards the team or Cloak shift away, IW pushes and jumps away, etc.) but the basic idea is generally to survive and get your team (whether that be the other strategist or anyone else) to help you.
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glaphen (Udelukket) 7. mar. kl. 11:39 
Strategists already have the tools to hard counter dive in a 1 vs 1, and it shouldn't even be a 1 vs 1. Your freeze and sleep give you a free kill, just hit with a head shot immediately after the CC in the .5 seconds you have to not remove it for free damage, then head shot them again, they are now dead. Invisible Woman just stand near your own shield, you are now impossible for them to kill and have so much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to kill them and preventing them from fleeing, if all else fails you can attempt to stealth.
FireJach 7. mar. kl. 13:33 
Easy - run towards your teammates. Each time I see these people running away to isolated places and die.
NEVER PRESS [S] only [W]
Terotrous 7. mar. kl. 14:32 
Here's the real advice:

Mantis - Hit your sleep. Mantis's sleep takes a moment to activate, during which time you can shoot them once or twice without them waking up. You get one extra headshot after it is fully active, this should be enough to kill most divers that aren't tanks. If you know you can't possibly kill the diver, just leave them asleep until help arrives.

Luna - Hit your iceball (admittedly this is somewhat hard). Also, use your shift when you're in trouble, it gives you a heal over time effect.

Rocket - Use your jet dashes and wall climb. It's often a strong strategy to dash through the diver rather than away from them since this is harder to track, and this can get you closer to your team. If you have a small wall nearby, you can cling to it and then press jet dash for a superjump that sends you a mile into the air, then just slow fall and shoot heal balls.

IW - Use your force push to push them away. Try to shield someone close to you so you can also heal with it. Use your double jump to go invisible, but make sure you are not holding left click when you do it.

C&D - It sounds unintuitive, but stay as Dagger and just shoot them point blank. When you hit shots as Dagger, it causes a heal in an AOE that can heal you as well. Use your bubble to increase your own survivability. Only swap to Cloak if the diver attempts to flee. You can use Cloak's Fade in an emergency but it should generally be kept to dodge ults.

Adam Warlock - Delete their face with right click. If you die and have cocoon available, fly somewhere safe before rezzing (if the whole team is dead, deny the rez so it doesn't go on cooldown).

Jeff - Spit a bubble and go into Shark Form. Jeff is never scared of divers.
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Shifue 7. mar. kl. 15:11 
Playing strategist the best against divers are rocket, jeff, loki and C&D. Yes luna, IW and mantis have ways of stopping them but it's not good against multiple or if you miss you are screwed. Adam on the other hand you just have to hope you kill them. I feel that divers currently are over tuned that or we really don't have much of a way to have real counter play against them.
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